#archlinux32 | Logs for 2024-11-14
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[08:49:33] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[08:49:33] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[08:49:34] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> ah, cool beans, taking back all my rants (as usual)
[08:49:55] <abaumann> the archlinux32 mail is working, it's mainly relaying to hidden email addresses (which I will not share here).
[08:50:08] <abaumann> As far as I can see, relaying was working.
[08:50:31] <abaumann> There is and never was a mailing list for Archlinux32, we are in the upstream archlinux-ports mailing list.
[08:50:52] <abaumann> Thus the link to mailing lists on the archlinux32 webpage is pointing to upstream archlinux-ports
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[08:52:28] <abaumann> https://archlinux32.andreasbaumann.cc
[08:52:30] <phrik> Title: #archlinux32 | Logs for 2024-11-09 (at archlinux32.andreasbaumann.cc)
[08:52:36] <abaumann> he is not MIA :-)
[08:52:46] <abaumann> just very silent and presumably busy :-)
[08:53:10] <abaumann> we also still have keyring issue which we have to sort out.
[08:53:15] <abaumann> *issues
[08:53:35] <abaumann> lemme check, if my signing keys are at least updated and uploaded..
[08:54:05] <abaumann> pacman-mirrorlist: I removed arch86.takehiko.pl, it points to nowhere..
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[18:54:54] <girls> new keyring package should be on its way
[18:56:17] <girls> I'm still occassionally here, but to be fair, I'm mostly relaying all SPI mail to abaumann anyways :-/
[19:04:57] <girls> And I don't see any mail from SPI in my inbox(es) :-/
[19:10:19] <bill-auger> gr8 to see ya girls - did not intend to be alarming - it is a common hazard that can ruin a project
[19:10:51] <bill-auger> Perdu: ^ erich did not receive your email
[19:12:26] <bill-auger> girls: could you take special attention to KitsuWhooa's key, to ensure that it is actually in the keyring package
[19:13:43] <bill-auger> arch32 keyring has alweays been problematic for us, in offline chroots especially - currently, it fails because it tries to download KitsuWhooa's key from the network
[19:14:17] <bill-auger> ice inspected it maybe a year ago, and that key was definitely not in the keyring package, though a few non-contributors were
[19:14:41] <KitsuWhooa> It's not in the package?
[19:14:53] <KitsuWhooa> https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org
[19:14:57] <KitsuWhooa> that's generated from the package
[19:15:59] <KitsuWhooa> hm
[19:16:12] <KitsuWhooa> it should be the same as the other keys used for signing packages
[19:17:01] <bill-auger> last time i checked was a year ago - maybe something has changed but i still have trouble with every arch32 keyring package since always
[19:17:53] <bill-auger> check this for example are any of these yours?:
[19:17:53] <bill-auger> $ cat /usr/share/pacman/keyrings/archlinux32-trusted
[19:18:21] <bill-auger> i see 5 keys - should there be 5 keys ?
[19:20:18] <KitsuWhooa> those are all the master keys
[19:21:24] <KitsuWhooa> none of those are used to sign packages
[19:39:44] <bill-auger> that can not be correct then can it? - how does pacman get the keys to verify packages?
[19:40:38] <bill-auger> and note that "it downloads them at runtime as needed" is not acceptable IMHO
[19:43:31] <bill-auger> we have discussed this in the past - IIRC foxboros assured us that it was not a security riskl but im pretty sure that is causing trouble in chroots without networking
[19:44:53] <bill-auger> i usually just fudge it and move on - it has been a while so i dont quite remember - but i will gladly work with you to nail this down
[19:45:49] <bill-auger> as it is, i must delete the every new arch32 package and rebuild it, becuase it never works for parabola users as-is
[19:47:27] <KitsuWhooa> does upstream arch include the packager keys in the keyring?
[19:48:07] <bill-auger> yes, i have never seen pacman ask me to import the key of an archpackager, unless my keyring was out-of-date
[19:49:08] <KitsuWhooa> fwiw, you should check /usr/share/pacman/keyrings/archlinux32.gpg
[19:49:20] <bill-auger> there used to be a trick involbing 'archlinux32-keyring-transition' - but IIRC that only needed to be applied once, at first install - also that package has not been updated since 2022-02-21, so im not sure if that trick still works
[19:50:03] <KitsuWhooa> that was when going from upstream arch to arch32
[19:50:14] <KitsuWhooa> that package hasn't been relevant for half a decade now :p
[19:50:32] <KitsuWhooa> the keyring at /usr/share/pacman/keyrings/archlinux32.gpg very much has my key in there
[19:51:31] <bill-auger> it is still relevant for anyone doing that migration and for installing parabola fresh, becuase the signing key is not in any other keyring
[19:51:50] <KitsuWhooa> huh?
[19:52:12] <KitsuWhooa> I know nothing about parabola, but don't you ship the keyring package in the installation medium?
[19:52:50] <bill-auger> yes, but that does not help anyone creating chroots
[19:53:07] <KitsuWhooa> ah, I see
[19:53:38] <KitsuWhooa> what we do is install the keyring on the host IIRC
[19:53:53] <KitsuWhooa> from the releng repo
[19:54:02] <bill-auger> ok your key is present in archlinux32.gpg - but that confuses me - i think it also must be in archlinux32-trusted
[19:54:10] <KitsuWhooa> no, packager keys don't go in trusted
[19:54:51] <KitsuWhooa> pick a random upstream arch package, look at the key that signed it, and see if you can find it in /usr/share/pacman/keyrings/archlinux-trusted
[19:55:49] <bill-auger> ok i will do that - i really want to understand this phenomenon
[19:56:01] <bill-auger> $ gpg /usr/share/pacman/keyrings/archlinux32.gpg | grep uid
[19:56:01] <bill-auger> uid Balló György <ballogyor@gmail.com>
[19:56:01] <bill-auger> uid Polichronucci (Arch Linux 32 Master Key) <polichronucci@archlinux.gr>
[19:56:01] <bill-auger> uid Andreas Baumann (Archlinux32 master key) <abaumann@archlinux32.org>
[19:56:01] <bill-auger> uid Erich Eckner <deep42thought@archlinux32.org>
[19:56:02] <bill-auger> uid Tyler Dence (Arch Linux 32 Master) <tyzoid@archlinux32.org>
[19:56:06] <bill-auger> uid Roelf Wichertjes (archlinux32 master key) <contact@roelf.org>
[19:56:09] <bill-auger> uid TasosSah (Arch32 Package Signing Key) <arch32@tasossah.com>
[19:56:11] <bill-auger> uid Andreas Baumann (sign) <mail@andreasbaumann.cc>
[19:56:13] <bill-auger> uid Erich Eckner (just to sign arch packages) <arch-packages@eckner.net>
[19:56:15] <bill-auger> uid Erich Eckner (just to sign arch packages) <arch@eckner.net>
[19:56:17] <bill-auger> uid Erich Eckner (just to sign arch packages) <arch@eckner.net>
[19:56:20] <bill-auger> uid Roelf Wichertjes <contact@roelf.org>
[19:56:48] <KitsuWhooa> I am aware
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[20:16:01] <bill-auger> ok just noticing that several are expired since years ago - maybe time for cleanup
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