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[06:42:44] <deep42thought> oh "remote: Daily bandwidth rate limit exceeded for IP 141.35.51.219" :-(
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[07:58:35] <abaumann> buildmaster.archlinux32.org (176.31.38.92) down?
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[13:00:11] <rewbycraft> deep42thought: My server is caught up in the continental OVH outage.
[13:00:16] <tyzoid> ah
[13:00:21] <tyzoid> was just about to ask that
[13:00:25] <rewbycraft> It came up a few minutes ago
[13:00:29] <tyzoid> :)
[13:00:31] <rewbycraft> But the RAID is rebuilding
[13:00:35] <rewbycraft> Which'll take an hour or two
[13:00:35] <tyzoid> :(
[13:00:47] <tyzoid> >:[
[13:00:55] <rewbycraft> Can't do much about it
[13:01:00] <rewbycraft> Other than wait
[13:01:07] <tyzoid> Yup. Thanks for the update
[13:01:22] <rewbycraft> I mean, I could bring it up fully right now
[13:01:25] <rewbycraft> But performance would be shite
[13:01:32] <rewbycraft> As the disks are currently churning away at the RAID rebuild
[13:02:18] <rewbycraft> So I'd rather wait
[13:02:23] <rewbycraft> And let the disks sort themselves out
[13:02:28] <rewbycraft> Before I attempt to bring it up
[13:02:36] <tyzoid> always a good idea
[13:03:03] <tyzoid> rewbycraft: Let me know if anything goes missing from the buildmaster, since I've got backups of that.
[13:03:07] <rewbycraft> Should be fine
[13:03:11] <rewbycraft> The raid seems okay
[13:03:23] <tyzoid> Yup. Can't hurt to be sure, though.
[13:03:42] <rewbycraft> Once everything is up, I'll poke deep42thought to have him check it over
[13:03:49] <rewbycraft> I don't know exactly which files he's expecting there
[13:04:20] <rewbycraft> Right now my main concern is the mail server and the load balancer, as they're the 2 most important things on that box
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[13:06:39] <rewbycraft> tyzoid: I may take the oppertunity to upgrade the networking on it some
[13:26:48] <deep42thought> rewbycraft: as long as the sanity-check passes, it's mostly fine :-)
[13:27:07] <rewbycraft> Ah okay
[13:27:45] <rewbycraft> As I said, am waiting on the raid to rebuild
[13:27:54] <deep42thought> yes, good idea
[13:28:27] <rewbycraft> May change the ip of the buildmaster, btw
[13:28:29] <rewbycraft> Not sure yet
[13:28:30] <rewbycraft> I may
[13:28:42] <deep42thought> np
[13:28:55] <rewbycraft> Am taking the moment to move the router into a vm
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[13:28:59] <rewbycraft> Instead of a netns
[13:29:17] <rewbycraft> Which means the host will have access to my /24 for vms
[13:29:35] <rewbycraft> And I could get rid of the extra ips on that box and save some moneys
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[14:50:47] <jemadux> why you dont leave the i686 to die ? :P
[14:52:54] <deep42thought> should we?
[14:53:41] <deep42thought> I'd like to not turn some of my boxes to zombies ;-)
[14:58:43] <jemadux> deep42thought: why not change distro to gentoo ? :P
[14:59:13] <deep42thought> well, as a matter of fact, I already have a box where I need to compile each and every package myself
[14:59:58] <deep42thought> so I thought: well, why not also compile packages I don't need for people I don't know ;-)
[15:01:40] <tyz> jemadux: because some of us support i686 hardware?
[15:02:10] <rewbycraft> I've got some old relics I'd like to keep running.
[15:08:00] <brtln> gentoo and i686 in one sentence, talk about sanity
[15:08:22] <tyz> even leaving out i686, still makes one go insane.
[15:09:25] <guys> jemadux: Are you just here to troll?
[15:09:53] <jemadux> i do only that question for fun ... i will remain silent
[15:15:44] <fsckd> 32 bit is a fair choice on a vps with only 512 MB of RAM even if the CPU is 64 bit.
[15:16:28] <jemadux> fsckd: i agree but honestly why someone choose for server arch and not debian ?
[15:16:50] <tyz> jemadux: We had someone a little bit ago doing industrial control systems with Arch.
[15:17:04] <tyz> Not my first choice, but people do use it.
[15:17:42] <abaumann> well. all of us use other distributions either at home or at work. I also use FreeBSD or OpenBSD for some things. Archlinux is the choice no. 1 for development as problems hit you sooner than on other distros.
[15:18:14] <abaumann> I myself also have servers still running perfectly fine with 32-bit Archlinux, so there is no reason to change running systems
[15:19:55] <abaumann> Another argument is development: it's always good to fight mono-culture. Otherwise coders starts to think integers are always 64-bit. This is a problem, when they'll get 128-bit. So you have a rotting code basis if you don't use at least 2 compilers and 2 platfoms
[15:20:26] <deep42thought> ^ +1
[15:20:32] <tyz> +1 well said
[15:20:34] <abaumann> :-)
[15:21:06] <fsckd> I still have a computer which can boot into 16 bit mode.
[15:21:16] <deep42thought> a pocket calculator?
[15:21:20] <fsckd> No
[15:21:23] <abaumann> well. BIOS
[15:21:39] <tyz> intel 8080?
[15:21:58] <fsckd> Old Mac. Can also boot into 32 bit.
[15:22:00] <tyz> s/8080/8086/
[15:22:04] <abaumann> actually 8086 till up to now (at least technically). BIOS was 16-bit, EFI is 32-bit.
[15:22:05] <tyz> ah
[15:22:17] <abaumann> VESA BIOS on VGA. mode switching.
[15:22:24] <abaumann> usually real mode
[15:23:00] <fsckd> Doesn't use all the RAM if I boot it into 16 bit.
[15:23:04] <abaumann> I really recoomend to roll your own boot loader and operating system, then you see all the layers under your feed even on modern PCs.
[15:23:22] <fsckd> abaumann: haha, indeed
[15:23:26] <abaumann> 16-bit is usually 20-bit address mode (+= A20 gate)
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[15:24:15] <tyz> wb jelle.
[15:24:39] <jelle> :)
[15:25:41] <fsckd> deep42thought: I also still have my programming graphing calculator. Thank you for reminding me. That's 16 bit too. I need to check its batteries and if it still works...
[15:25:56] <deep42thought> :-)
[15:26:21] <abaumann> Well, my Apple ][ clone should also be working.. 8-bit then. :-)
[15:26:33] <deep42thought> I guess, I skipped 16 bit - I only have 8, 32 or 64 ...
[15:27:03] <tyz> Same, but my 8bit computer is a z80 graphing calculator from TI.
[15:27:34] <fsckd> tyz: 8 bit? Which one?
[15:28:19] <tyz> fsckd: https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:28:19] <fsckd> I thought all the programmable ones are 16 bit.
[15:28:20] <phrik> Title: TI-84 Plus series - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[15:28:24] <tyz> ti84 Plus Silver
[15:28:35] <fsckd> That's 16 bit
[15:28:53] <fsckd> I have 83+ SE
[15:28:53] <abaumann> If you interested in those things, check out http://homebrewcpu.com or http://www.visual6502.org
[15:28:55] <phrik> Title: Homebrew CPU Home Page (at homebrewcpu.com)
[15:29:06] <abaumann> phrik: yes :-)
[15:29:06] <phrik> abaumann: Eh?
[15:29:19] <abaumann> telepathy?
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[15:29:41] <abaumann> homebrew, 8-bit self-made computer by a Google guy
[15:30:01] <abaumann> 6505 CPU emulated in Javascript.
[15:30:01] <tyz> fsckd: the 84+silver is 8bit
[15:30:10] <tyz> abaumann: have you seen linux.js?
[15:30:32] <tyz> fsckd: If you have information otherwise, a link would be appreciated.
[15:30:56] <fsckd> I am away from computer. I will check when i return. I could be misremembering.
[15:31:04] <abaumann> tyz: Sounds like Fabrice Bellard?
[15:31:49] <tyz> abaumann: That's exactly it
[15:32:10] <abaumann> I'm still using 'tcc', his tiny C compiler
[15:32:30] <abaumann> then he made a demo, how to compile Linux on startup using tcc
[15:32:36] <tyz> Does that compile down to x86?
[15:32:49] <abaumann> tcc, yes.
[15:32:55] <fsckd> tyz: addressing is 16 bit iirc.
[15:32:57] <abaumann> and ARM too I think.
[15:33:10] <tyz> fsckd: Yes, iirc via near and far pointers.
[15:33:28] <tyz> I think mine has 16k of ram
[15:33:29] <abaumann> clang, gcc, pcc and tcc. So, if your C code passes those 4 compilers, you can be pretty sure you actually wrote correct code. :-)
[15:34:06] <tyz> Yeah, I should probably switch from gcc as my main compiler to clang. gnu extensions are hard to avoid when only compiling on gcc
[15:34:54] <tyz> hmm, looks like the pointer type is actually 16bit
[15:34:55] <tyz> interesting.
[15:35:45] <tyz> I need to get back into asm at some point. z80 looks like a decent place to start :)
[15:36:05] <tyz> or I might just stick with atmel asm
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[15:47:18] <fsckd> i haven't programmed on a graphing calculator since high school. it was a lot of fun though. and drew me into programming on a computer. :)
[15:49:00] <tyz> I learned TI-Basic after I learned java, but it definitely helped.
[15:49:12] <tyz> The largest thing I wrote was a minesweeper clone.
[15:49:56] <fsckd> sweet
[15:50:37] <tyz> getting the random number generation code quick was the trickiest thing
[15:50:54] <fsckd> heh
[15:51:14] <fsckd> i wrote a hangman game in basic. :)
[15:51:36] <fsckd> i never finished any asm program though. but i did learn a lot.
[15:52:05] <tyz> The only ASM stuff I did was a subroutine for bitbanging a digital bus from an atmel microcontroller.
[15:52:13] <tyz> since the timing had to be precise.
[15:52:28] <deep42thought> I wrote some asm for µcontrollers
[15:52:46] <deep42thought> does that count or am I lame? ;-)
[15:52:54] * tyz needs a keyboard with the 'µ' symbol
[15:53:01] <tyz> That counts
[15:53:10] <fsckd> tyz: btw you are right, 8 bit with 16 bit addressing.
[15:53:20] <tyz> :)
[15:53:28] <tyz> The screen has a color depth of 1.
[15:53:37] <deep42thought> 1 bit, hopefully
[15:53:42] <tyz> yeah
[15:53:53] <tyz> fsckd: have you seen the hacks to get grayscale on the ti84+ silver?
[15:53:54] <fsckd> some folks managed a trick to get greyscale like effect
[15:53:58] <tyz> yeah
[15:54:04] <fsckd> haha, jinx :P
[15:54:34] <tyz> Yeah. Basically revolves around rapidly pulsing the pixel with a set duty-cycle.
[15:54:34] <fsckd> also worked on TI-83 iirc? i never ran them.
[15:54:41] <fsckd> ahh
[15:54:57] <tyz> It might work in the 83, but the processor was clocked slower, afaik
[15:55:00] <rewbycraft> PWM-ing a pixel... that's a new one to me
[15:55:03] <tyz> so the flashing would be more noticable.
[15:55:20] <tyz> rewbycraft: They're LCD, so giving a pwm signal would "average" out.
[15:56:22] <fsckd> i think 6Mhz for 83, but 83+ could run asm programs at 10Mhz?
[15:56:31] <rewbycraft> I don't doubt it
[15:56:37] <rewbycraft> My TI84 has ghosting issues
[15:56:38] <rewbycraft> Dunno why
[15:56:41] <tyz> iirc the 84 was 20mhz
[15:56:50] <fsckd> sweet deal
[15:56:58] <rewbycraft> I have been tempted to try stuff on the TI... but I need the thing
[15:57:21] <fsckd> i lost my cable. but it was for a Mac anyways.
[15:57:22] <tyz> yeah. $110 for an 8bit processor, crappy screen, and 16k ram is pretty terrible deal.
[15:57:35] <fsckd> haha
[15:57:38] <rewbycraft> I still kinda want an FPGA board with VGA (or hdmi) output, ethernet and serial to experiment with weird and/or old cpu architectures
[15:57:44] <rewbycraft> But those boards are expensive
[15:57:52] <tyz> https://xkcd.com
[15:57:52] <rewbycraft> And my usage'd be too sporadic
[15:57:53] <phrik> Title: xkcd: 1996 (at xkcd.com)
[15:58:12] <rewbycraft> Heh
[15:58:15] <rewbycraft> XKCD for everything
[15:58:41] <tyz> yup
[16:00:35] <fsckd> rofl
[16:01:30] <fsckd> the displays are crappy. Gameboy also had z80 processors with waaaay better displays. :P
[16:05:08] <fsckd> i was wrong (again), this time about the cPU speed. the 83+ CPU max is 8MHz, not 10MHz
[16:05:35] <fsckd> however, the Silver Edition is 15MHz
[16:05:47] <tyz> fsckd: Did you see the ti84+c?
[16:06:10] <fsckd> i'm working my way up :P
[16:06:43] <fsckd> 84+ and 84+ SE are also 15 MHz
[16:06:54] <tyz> :(
[16:07:08] <deep42thought> ok, I'll leave now - ping me if theres something on topic again (I'll pr
[16:07:20] <deep42thought> obably not read through all the backlog :-)
[16:07:34] <tyz> sounds good.
[16:07:48] <fsckd> lol, sorry. this was nostalgia at play :P
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[16:07:53] <tyz> yeah.
[16:08:15] <tyz> abaumann: I saw your forum post about bugtracker styling. I'm looking at that tomorrow, since I've got a day off
[16:08:37] <abaumann> tyz: was just a question? :-)
[16:08:50] <abaumann> I actually personally like the current style more..
[16:09:16] <tyz> abaumann: I'm planning on keeping most of it, just things like adding the navbar to the top so users don't get stuck, replacing the logo, etc.
[16:09:28] <tyz> unless you have other ideas
[16:09:33] <abaumann> yeah. that sound good.
[16:09:45] <abaumann> backlinks to the forum and to the main page should do it
[16:10:17] <rewbycraft> 1412313920 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
[16:10:23] <rewbycraft> Looks like my hypervisor's RAID has rebuilt
[16:10:53] <rewbycraft> I'm gonna take the moment of downtime to update some stuff
[16:11:07] <rewbycraft> Since I usually can't do that without accidentally-ing the vm's drives
[16:45:51] <tyz> lol
[16:48:13] <tyz> deep42thought ^
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[18:08:16] <rewbycraft> Progress report: Updates completed without a problem. Network upgrade in progress and coming along nicely.
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[21:24:42] <rewbycraft> Another update: v4 seems to be working. Ipv6 is more than just a little dead
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[22:18:34] <deep42thought> rewbycraft: did you change the ipv4 address?
[22:27:24] <rewbycraft> deep42thought: I did not yet
[22:27:35] <rewbycraft> Spent entirely too long fighting with some firewall stuff
[22:27:49] <rewbycraft> And am entirely tired of it. So I'm gonna get the system at least barely operational
[22:27:56] <rewbycraft> And then go to bed
[22:33:37] <rewbycraft> deep42thought: buildmaster should be coming online in a few minutes
[22:33:46] <rewbycraft> It's booting, but so are a dozen other vms
[22:33:53] <rewbycraft> So the disk is struggling somewhat
[22:33:57] <rewbycraft> Good 'ol spinners
[22:34:11] <deep42thought> it's pingable :-)
[22:35:02] <deep42thought> sanity-check looks good
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[22:49:36] <deep42thought> oh, all the erroneous build logs are gone
[22:49:41] <deep42thought> probably my fault, though
[22:51:27] <rewbycraft> I've not had mass data loss
[22:51:33] <rewbycraft> The RAID rebuilt seems to have caught everything
[22:51:38] <deep42thought> the successful build logs are still present
[22:51:49] <deep42thought> and they're right next to the others
[22:51:58] <rewbycraft> Oh jeesh email
[22:52:09] <rewbycraft> My backup MX got a workout today
[22:52:19] <deep42thought> :-)
[22:52:32] <rewbycraft> It's a little like 5 euro a year vps
[22:52:42] <rewbycraft> It's sole job is to just sit there and run postfix.
[22:53:05] <rewbycraft> If my main MX dies, the DNS records are setup to direct servers to instead send to the backup mx
[22:53:11] <deep42thought> I didn't know you could get a vps for 5€/a
[22:53:22] <rewbycraft> Which just ends up holding on to the messages until the main MX comes back up
[22:53:24] <rewbycraft> you can
[22:53:28] <rewbycraft> They're proper shit-tier machines though
[22:53:39] <rewbycraft> Think openvz with 128M of ram and 5G disk
[22:53:52] <deep42thought> hmm, seems legit
[22:54:08] <rewbycraft> But for a machine that just runs postfix, and not even a complicated setup
[22:54:12] <rewbycraft> Just essentially a email cache
[22:54:14] <rewbycraft> Well
[22:54:15] <rewbycraft> forwarder
[22:54:20] <rewbycraft> It doesn't need muchy
[22:54:22] <rewbycraft> So it's cheap and easy
[22:54:27] <rewbycraft> I use another one as a backup DNS server
[22:54:35] <rewbycraft> So my domains and mail remain operational
[22:54:37] <rewbycraft> Well, at least partially
[22:54:57] <rewbycraft> I can't update DNS or send mail until the primary servers are back, but that's not that big of a deal
[22:55:17] <rewbycraft> Those servers are only supposed to see load if something goes massively wrong anyway
[22:55:43] <deep42thought> and then you got better things to do instead of updating your dns ;-)
[22:56:12] <rewbycraft> Basically, yeah
[22:56:14] <rewbycraft> That's the reasoning
[22:56:44] <rewbycraft> It's purely a "don't lost emails and maintain minimal core infrastructure"
[22:56:53] <rewbycraft> Because you'd be surprised how many things don't work if DNS is screwed
[22:57:28] <deep42thought> I already was surprised about that
[22:57:44] <rewbycraft> Oh?
[22:57:46] <rewbycraft> What happened?
[22:58:09] <deep42thought> I once killed our dns server with some glibc bug and the result was, that all the windows machines in our lab could not reliably ping other windows machines via their ips
[22:58:33] <deep42thought> e.g. 1/3rd of all packages came through, the other got lost
[22:58:47] <rewbycraft> Yeah
[22:58:51] <rewbycraft> things get weird when your domain dies
[22:58:54] <deep42thought> same subnet, no routing, no name resolution - simple 'ping 192.168.0.1'
[22:59:01] <rewbycraft> Yup.
[22:59:10] <rewbycraft> Even worse when you're trying to bring SSO systems back up
[22:59:16] <rewbycraft> those things rely on DNS for everything
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[22:59:58] <deep42thought> btw: it looks, like ipv6 is working, too
[23:00:07] <rewbycraft|waiti> Yeah, I got that fixed a bit ago
[23:00:12] <rewbycraft|waiti> I fat-fingered an ip in a config file
[23:00:17] <rewbycraft|waiti> So the routing daemon got confused
[23:00:41] <rewbycraft|waiti> Can you do me a favor and give me a traceroute via ipv6?
[23:01:05] <rewbycraft|waiti> I'm somewhat concerned it may be backhauling it all the way to london
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[23:03:30] <deep42thought> strange, traceroute dies after 10 hops :-/
[23:03:37] <deep42thought> 10 2a06:e881:1300::1:8 (2a06:e881:1300::1:8) 54.941 ms 50.736 ms 39.072 ms
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[23:03:40] <deep42thought> is the last
[23:03:54] <rewbycraft|waiti> Ah that's normal
[23:04:03] <rewbycraft|waiti> It made it to the vrouter
[23:04:04] <rewbycraft|waiti> So it's fine
[23:04:09] <rewbycraft|waiti> That machine doesn't reply to ping
[23:04:12] <rewbycraft|waiti> Hence it dies
[23:04:19] <rewbycraft|waiti> Can you pastebin me the full output?
[23:04:35] <rewbycraft|waiti> I want to see which path it's taking and possible adjust some internal route weighting
[23:05:04] <rewbycraft|waiti> Also, if you need to pull things from servers behind google or cloudflare on the buildmaster, use ipv6.
[23:05:51] <deep42thought> The buildmaster does not pull such stuff
[23:05:57] <deep42thought> (usually)
[23:06:09] <deep42thought> https://ptpb.pw
[23:07:05] <rewbycraft|waiti> Just saying, prefer ipv6 if/when possible
[23:07:14] <deep42thought> isn't that the standard?
[23:07:20] <rewbycraft|waiti> You'd be surprised
[23:07:29] <rewbycraft|waiti> So many admins are like "herp derp it's slow, lets disable v6"
[23:07:32] <deep42thought> the master mirror has ipv4 only :-(
[23:08:33] <rewbycraft|waiti> Oof
[23:08:51] <rewbycraft|waiti> Also, when writing software, keep ipv6 in mind
[23:09:01] <rewbycraft|waiti> You'd be surprised how often it doesn't "just work"
[23:09:07] <rewbycraft|waiti> Notable examples: Python and C
[23:09:38] <rewbycraft|waiti> Also, fun fact: On most systems binding to :: binds to both v4 and v6
[23:15:41] <deep42thought> ah, found the issue with the build-logs:
[23:15:54] <deep42thought> somehow all packages ended up on the deletion-list
[23:16:01] <deep42thought> thus the build-list was emptied
[23:16:14] <deep42thought> and thus all packages marked as "broken" were removed
[23:16:22] <deep42thought> and thus all build logs of them were removed
[23:16:26] <deep42thought> makes sense
[23:16:30] <deep42thought> (besides the first point)
[23:16:37] <rewbycraft> Could be due to the unscheduled reboot
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[23:16:59] <deep42thought> nah, actually, the deletion list should not fill up with a lot of packages
[23:17:17] <deep42thought> everything is (should be?) buffered and the *.new file are moved right at the end
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[23:17:59] <deep42thought> but because this happens like the zillionth time, I already got a script to seed the build list from some x86_64 mirror :-D
[23:22:07] <rewbycraft> How to tell I've been busy fixing things: I've got 14 open terminals
[23:22:14] <deep42thought> :-D
[23:23:47] <deep42thought> my colleague looked at my desktop yesterday and said: "you don't like graphical environments?" and I said "what do you mean? All those terminals have their own window and can be placed arbitrarily" :-/
[23:53:25] <deep42thought> I think, libmongoc is falsely blacklisted
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