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[05:40:24] <tyzoid> deep42thought: ISOs done uploading, I'm heading off to bed.
[05:44:11] <tyzoid> hey rewbycraft: FYI, your mirror's cert is expired.
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[08:23:22] <walle303> nobody cares about the superb owl, this is linux nerd land, you'd think spammers would at *least* be smart enough to spam the right audience
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[08:23:44] <walle303> is it over?
[08:24:21] <walle303> time to go back to being busy
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[12:55:25] <tyzoid> walle303: Love the Colbert reference :)
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[13:00:31] <walle303> ? superb owl
[13:01:13] <walle303> been a joke long before Colbert but ok
[13:02:38] <tyzoid> Ehh, that's the first I've seen it.
[13:05:29] <tyzoid> hey deep42thought: How long does the download page take to update? I thought it was automatic.
[13:17:47] <deep42thought> no it's not
[13:17:55] <deep42thought> there is update-website in releng
[13:18:13] <deep42thought> I'll run it :-)
[13:20:34] <deep42thought> done
[13:20:44] <deep42thought> now we need to wait for the cronjob
[13:21:00] <deep42thought> plus you/dopsi should update the magnet links, once they're created
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[15:21:17] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Did you want to clear the spam out of the logs?
[15:21:26] <deep42thought> which spam?
[15:21:31] <deep42thought> yes, always
[15:21:35] <tyzoid> https://mirror.archlinux32.org
[15:21:36] <phrik> Title: #archlinux-ports | Logs for 2018-02-01 (at mirror.archlinux32.org)
[15:21:44] <tyzoid> earlier today
[15:22:05] <deep42thought> oh, haven't noticed :-/
[15:22:16] <tyzoid> I put a mode +b on the ip and nick
[15:22:28] <deep42thought> _that_ I saw ...
[15:22:29] <tyzoid> but it happened while I was sleeping
[15:22:40] <deep42thought> I was on my bike at that time
[15:24:06] <deep42thought> ok, done
[15:24:10] <tyzoid> thanks
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[15:25:32] <tyzoid> deep42thought: btw, it looks like archiso verifies the signature against the system's pacman trustdb, meaning that the iso wouldn't build unless I installed archlinux32-keyring on the x86 isobuild vm
[15:26:09] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Perhaps we should add that as a dependency of archiso-dual/archiso32?
[15:26:22] <deep42thought> yeah, like with devtools32
[15:26:32] <deep42thought> at least I hope, I added that dependency :-)
[15:26:49] <deep42thought> devtools32: yes
[15:27:13] <deep42thought> archiso*: no
[15:27:17] <deep42thought> (=not yet)
[15:27:32] <deep42thought> you're using my packages from [archlinuxewe]?
[15:27:36] <tyzoid> yup
[15:27:56] <tyzoid> I'm using the script I wrote (should be on github)
[15:28:37] <tyzoid> I made some minor changes to the script, so I'll send the changes up sometime this week
[15:29:45] <deep42thought> ok, I'll publish the new archiso* packages (with the new dependencies) as soon as that other build finishes :-)
[15:29:57] <tyzoid> sounds good.
[15:30:06] <tyzoid> No rush, as they're not needed until next month :P
[15:30:12] <deep42thought> :-D
[15:30:14] <tyzoid> Let me know when the build has finished, so I can test it
[15:30:19] <deep42thought> yeah
[15:30:20] <deep42thought> will do
[15:34:12] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Do you think we should remove rewby's mirror until the cert issue gets resolved? It's been expired for a while now.
[15:34:32] <tyzoid> It wouldn't be too big a problem if he didn't redirect http -> https and set hsts
[15:34:33] <deep42thought> I have no opinion on that
[15:34:51] <deep42thought> it dropped out of pool.mirror.archlinux32.org
[15:35:11] <deep42thought> and all else cannot reasonably be expected from us, as long as we don't have some monitoring set up
[15:35:27] <deep42thought> but we _could_ remove it - since we noticed ;-)
[15:35:30] <tyzoid> Well, I'm thinking of removing it from the mirrorlist32 package
[15:35:52] <tyzoid> Mostly because it'd affect new installs
[15:36:04] <deep42thought> hmm
[15:36:49] <deep42thought> you're talking about our mirrorlist? Or the mirrorlist32 from [archlinuxewe]?
[15:37:10] <tyzoid> our mirrorlist
[15:37:18] <tyzoid> I didn't realize the package names were different
[15:37:39] <tyzoid> both would be nice, but ours is the more concerning one
[15:37:47] <deep42thought> well, there is a mirrorlist32 in [archlinuxewe] which is needed on x86_64 systems to have our mirrors (e.g. for devtools32)
[15:37:59] <tyzoid> right
[15:38:54] <deep42thought> ok, I commented it out, but I'd rather not rebuild the package
[15:39:10] <deep42thought> the install script fetches the mirrorlist from github anyway IIRC
[15:40:38] <tyzoid> deep42thought: That's not a problem, I guess. It'll be triggered at some point anyway, though.
[15:41:03] <deep42thought> yeah
[15:41:28] <tyzoid> deep42thought: We should remove the link on the download page, though
[15:41:39] <tyzoid> for the http iso downlaod
[15:41:41] <tyzoid> download*
[15:50:54] <deep42thought> ok, it's rudimentary, but done
[16:04:20] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Ok. The download page shows two hash marks, though. Perhaps we want to update the regex that loads that?
[16:04:39] <tyzoid> i.e. just `grep -v '^##Server'` ?
[16:06:01] <deep42thought> nah, this way it's obviously commented :-)
[16:08:22] <abaumann> doesn't ## uncomment the #? ;-)
[16:08:30] <deep42thought> :-D
[16:08:39] <deep42thought> !grab abaumann
[16:08:39] <phrik> deep42thought: Tada!
[16:08:40] <tyzoid> lol, wb abaumann
[16:08:42] <abaumann> hi.
[16:09:17] <abaumann> what would be a good name for a repo containing the builds for i486 (and maybe future other ones)?
[16:09:22] <abaumann> at the moment it's on http://git.andreasbaumann.cc
[16:09:24] <phrik> Title: archlinux32-i486 - [no description] (at git.andreasbaumann.cc)
[16:09:52] <deep42thought> you mean binary packages?
[16:09:59] <abaumann> nope. the build system.
[16:10:14] <abaumann> I'm rewriting my 3500 line script to make it readable.
[16:10:35] <deep42thought> archlinux32-i486 sounds good for now
[16:10:38] <abaumann> packages-i486-stage1 is somethink like diff PKGBUILDs for i686, but not quite.
[16:10:42] <abaumann> ok.
[16:10:48] <tyzoid> abaumann: builder48?
[16:10:48] <deep42thought> but at some point, this will take the role of a build slave, won't it?
[16:10:51] <abaumann> and I can rename it anytime later.
[16:10:57] <abaumann> 48?
[16:11:01] <tyzoid> i486
[16:11:33] <abaumann> well. my hope is that the approach is also usable for every other platform you can cross compile to.
[16:11:49] <tyzoid> ah, archlinx32/bootstrap-32?
[16:12:17] <deep42thought> abaumann: then why not call it archlinux32/cross-compiled
[16:12:19] <deep42thought> or similar
[16:12:19] <abaumann> nice. archlinux32 is double in the repo name and the main organisation name.
[16:12:34] <deep42thought> hmm?
[16:12:43] <abaumann> bootstrap-32 is nice. :-)
[16:12:59] <abaumann> but it's more a bootstrap-i486 for now..
[16:13:12] <abaumann> I'll continue and ponder a little bit more. :-)
[16:13:13] <tyzoid> i486 is 32 :P
[16:13:13] <deep42thought> doesn't matter
[16:13:24] <abaumann> ok.
[16:13:33] <deep42thought> if you think one can use it for other arches, too, then call it "-32"
[16:13:52] <abaumann> yep. but I'll have to test first of course.. :-)
[16:13:57] <tyzoid> abaumann: Once you get some test packages up, let me know and I'll set up a US mirror for it.
[16:14:25] <deep42thought> we can simply throw up a new "i486" directory on the master mirror
[16:14:39] <deep42thought> I guess, it won't contain too many packages in the beginning, anyway
[16:14:52] <tyzoid> deep42thought: We could... but that'd mean putting it in the "official" mirror before it's ready
[16:15:05] <deep42thought> hmm, yeah
[16:15:07] <abaumann> yeah. it's too soon maybe.
[16:15:10] <deep42thought> ok
[16:15:16] <deep42thought> abaumann: your decision
[16:15:26] <deep42thought> I have no insight in how many packages are working :-)
[16:15:36] <abaumann> anyway, there is http://archlinux32.andreasbaumann.cc for now, if you really want to play with it.
[16:15:37] <phrik> Title: Index of /i486 (at archlinux32.andreasbaumann.cc)
[16:15:56] <deep42thought> no certificates!
[16:15:58] <tyzoid> ah, so mostly looks like base
[16:16:04] <abaumann> those are stage 1 packages, which may not be used but for building more packages.
[16:16:07] <abaumann> yes.
[16:16:18] <deep42thought> [build-support]
[16:16:22] <abaumann> no signing as it involves building pacman with gpgme/gpg.
[16:16:29] <abaumann> So, definitely only internal.
[16:16:37] <tyzoid> and that requires openssl
[16:16:55] <abaumann> and they switch off systemd.. just for stage1, I don't want to get into some systemd/non-systemd discussions.. :-)
[16:17:13] <tyzoid> does systemd even support i486?
[16:17:18] <abaumann> officieal i486 package MUST be signed.
[16:17:22] <abaumann> why shouldn't it?
[16:17:34] <tyzoid> idk, not familiar enough with it.
[16:17:45] <abaumann> there is really nothing magical to systemd. It's just a init script system.
[16:18:04] <abaumann> Maybe things like systemd-nspawn will cause issues.
[16:18:40] <tyzoid> I'm thinking, though, the people who are going to use the 486 packages are either running very old hardware, or are installing it on minimal devices like routers
[16:18:49] <tyzoid> does systemd really make sense in that scenario?
[16:18:51] <abaumann> but a bootstrapping system doesn't really need systemd, nor modules, nor a ramdisk. So I'll take a static kernel and the uinit PID-1 system.
[16:19:10] <abaumann> the problem is: upstream is systemd. period.
[16:19:25] <abaumann> Otherwise this results in a Archlinux-fork.
[16:19:30] <tyzoid> For i486, though, there's no upstream.
[16:19:35] <abaumann> I want to test it.
[16:19:41] <tyzoid> hence why we're bootstrapping it from scratch
[16:19:51] <abaumann> No, but the fact that systemd is the master init system for Archlinux is from upstream.
[16:20:09] <abaumann> and there is the "rule of least surprise" :-)
[16:20:14] <tyzoid> True
[16:20:35] <tyzoid> I have little opinion either way, I just wanted to make sure we considered it.
[16:21:06] <abaumann> If the kernels don't boot or systemd takes gazillions of memory, then Archlinux-486 is questionable per se.
[16:21:48] <abaumann> So far I'm considering 32MB RAM, 1GB hard disk is an absolute minimum requirement.
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[16:24:11] <deep42thought> lol, I wanted to look, what took buildknecht so long, and the last message in the build log is currently: "We know it took a while, but your build finally finished successfully!"
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[16:27:31] <tyzoid> that's quite funny. Didn't you write that script?
[16:27:59] <deep42thought> no, this is from within the build
[16:28:17] <tyzoid> ah, that's even funnier
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[16:38:37] <deep42thought> that build of mine takes longer than expected
[16:38:54] <deep42thought> I'll schedule the update of archlinux* automatically, but I have to leave now
[16:38:56] <deep42thought> cu later!
[16:39:04] <abaumann> cu
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[19:49:43] <Alucard_> Hello?
[19:54:17] <Alucard_> I need to boot into a bootable *.ISO image and i am stuck on boot at message: "ISOLINUX Copyright (C) 1994-2011 H. Peter Anvin et al". I have checked MD5 values of the ISO which is on my Hard Disk Drive and the MD5 value from Dual Layer DVD and they are ok. My hardware: AMD Sempron 2500+ 1,4 GHZ, nVIDIA GeForce 6200 128 MB Video Memory, 1 GB RAM and GIGABYTE motherboard from year ~2005.
[19:54:48] <tyzoid> Alucard_: Which ISO?
[19:54:57] <tyzoid> is it the i686 one or the -dual one?
[19:55:31] <Alucard_> I was told about this place from BlackArch linux place on freenode as i have 32-bit hardware and they don't support 32-bit anymore.
[19:55:41] <Alucard_> Howdy!
[19:55:46] <tyzoid> yeah, but which ISO are you using?
[19:56:15] <tyzoid> Also, hi
[19:56:18] <Alucard_> BlackArch i686 latest version from August 2017.
[19:56:46] <tyzoid> Alucard_: You probably want to look at archstrike instead
[19:57:34] <tyzoid> Alucard_: We can't support someone else's ISO, as we have our own ISOs for installing archlinux32: https://archlinux32.org
[19:57:36] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 (at archlinux32.org)
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[19:57:47] <Alucard_> It's 8+ GB in size and i have burned it on two Dual Layer DVDs, on both of them its burned properly (checked MD5 values on it it at least 2 times)
[19:58:35] <tyzoid> Alucard_: I don't doubt that, but I can't support an ISO I didn't make
[19:58:44] <tyzoid> Our project has our own isos
[19:58:49] <Alucard_> I was downloading it 2 days, it's important that i get it to boot.
[19:58:59] <tyzoid> In that case, you'd need to ask them
[19:59:03] <Alucard_> Ok.
[19:59:33] <Alucard_> Wait, we were typing at the same time, it was misunderstanding.
[19:59:54] <Alucard_> These messages arive a bit late, internet is slow here...
[19:59:59] <tyzoid> no problem.
[20:00:12] <tyzoid> The ISO we provide is 512MB
[20:00:14] <Alucard_> :)
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[20:26:22] <tyzoid> wb abaumann
[20:28:52] <abaumann> hi :-)
[20:29:08] <abaumann> all going well with the ISO?
[20:36:59] <tyzoid> They were having issues with another project's outdated ISO
[20:39:02] <abaumann> ah. yeah. too many forked ISO we cannot support.
[20:42:27] <tyzoid> abaumann: Not even a forked ISO, it was the last released (iirc) iso from the project in August before they dropped support
[20:42:47] <tyzoid> BlackArch, is what they said they were trying to install
[20:43:11] <abaumann> mmh: petetration testing, ey? :-)
[20:43:16] <abaumann> *penetration
[20:43:50] <tyzoid> yeah, I recommended they check out ArchStrike, which maintains i686 support by proxy of us
[20:44:30] <abaumann> wow. archstrike supports quite some platforms..
[20:45:05] <tyzoid> yup
[20:45:32] <imeschwartz> https://bbs.archlinux.org is this even a legitimate issue? I cannot tell if it is a partial update because they're using arch32 packages without telling us -_-
[20:45:33] <phrik> Title: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.148: cannot / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
[20:48:57] <abaumann> Just checked on archlinux32-testing, I get libx265.so.146 => /usr/lib/libx265.so.146 and no libx264.so.148 at all
[20:49:12] <tyzoid> imeschwartz: Not sure. Did you see https://bbs.archlinux32.org ?
[20:49:13] <phrik> Title: [SOLVED] Breaking mplayer with libx264.so.148 / Pacman / Pacman Upgrades / Arch Linux 32 Forums (at bbs.archlinux32.org)
[20:49:48] <abaumann> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jan 14 12:00 /usr/lib/libx264.so.148 -> libx264.so.152
[20:49:52] <abaumann> *evil grin*
[20:50:09] <abaumann> but that's in stable.
[20:50:28] <abaumann> so I guess there has been an issue in the past?
[20:50:55] <imeschwartz> Well, the arch32 forums are actually telling me "Wrong username and/or password"
[20:51:11] <tyzoid> imeschwartz: Do you need a forum password reset?
[20:51:58] <abaumann> mplayer 37998 had the issue, mplayer 38017 seems ok.
[20:53:06] <tyzoid> buildmaster: why-dont-you stabalize mplayer
[20:53:21] <tyzoid> abaumann: what's the syntax ^?
[20:53:25] <tyzoid> I forget
[20:53:25] <abaumann> buildermaster is on strike? ;-)
[20:53:35] <tyzoid> Likely me misremembering the syntax.
[20:53:38] <abaumann> hang on..
[20:53:55] <imeschwartz> I already used the "forgot password" widget
[20:54:10] <imeschwartz> also you have spam
[20:54:22] <abaumann> yeah. we know. but only the finest. ;-)
[20:54:28] <imeschwartz> russian spam
[20:54:34] <abaumann> what else.
[20:54:58] <tyzoid> spam should be cleaned up now
[20:55:29] <abaumann> buildmaster: why-don't-you-stabilize mplayer
[20:55:32] <tyzoid> imeschwartz: If the account recovery tool isn't working, I can reset it manually
[20:55:40] <abaumann> regex='^\S\+ \S\+ <\S\+> '"${prefix}"'why[- ]don'"'"'\?t[- ]you \(build\|stabilize\|unstage\|keep\
[20:55:43] <abaumann> |stubbornly_keep\) '
[20:55:46] <abaumann> *grr8
[20:56:00] <tyzoid> buildmaster why-dont-you stabalize mplayer
[20:56:06] <tyzoid> hmm
[20:56:07] <tyzoid> odd
[20:56:15] <abaumann> buildmaster: why dont you stabilize mplayer
[20:56:17] <buildmaster> The following packages are dependent on "mplayer", but cannot be stabilized:
[20:56:17] <buildmaster> aarch64-linux-gnu-binutils.bded36be97ee642f097a749fe8bbfae9ea228a9c.eecf6a0c503748c95b379829be217cb4bcb29de4.community (not tested yet for 3 days)
[20:56:17] <buildmaster> abcde.d6b2da79bbdc606d6823b46a1ed0a878f28f8339.eecf6a0c503748c95b379829be217cb4bcb29de4.community (not tested yet for 3 days)
[20:56:17] <buildmaster> amule.3808cfa7003daf7bf354bba7c04b263161a911f0.61ac0747b064510acbebfca19581de208085b0f7.community (not unstaged yet for 1 days)
[20:56:17] <buildmaster> android-tools.b493eb89ab441541292ab13a9c49d1af85fd7bc6.8d84c59b6937880b67ef61946ec0b403450ebd95.community (not built yet)
[20:56:17] <buildmaster> ... (260 lines total)
[20:56:21] <tyzoid> ah
[20:56:25] <abaumann> aha: stabalize != stabilize
[20:56:34] <tyzoid> lol
[20:56:40] <abaumann> aarch64?
[20:56:41] * tyzoid can't spel rite
[20:56:59] <abaumann> this makes absolutely no sense..
[20:57:01] <tyzoid> abaumann: IIRC compiler for rpi
[20:57:20] <abaumann> yes. and why should mplayer depend on that or vice-versa?
[20:57:28] <tyzoid> not sure
[20:57:34] <abaumann> amule, ok. mayble.
[20:57:36] <abaumann> *maybe
[20:57:38] <imeschwartz> tyzoid: it works fine, now I'm trying to figure out why your forums want me to resize my 80x80 pixel avatar from bbs.archlinux.org down to 60x60 :p
[20:57:49] <abaumann> lol
[20:57:58] <tyzoid> imeschwartz: Idk, I could never get my avatar thing working right
[20:58:07] <tyzoid> you'll note I don't have an avatar
[20:59:00] <tyzoid> abaumann: Do you have the power to do transitions/rebuilds like deep42thought? or just him?
[21:00:00] <abaumann> No, I don't have the rights.
[21:00:10] <abaumann> at least.. not that I'm aware of. :-)
[21:00:20] <abaumann> but I can mail a stabilize email..
[21:01:58] <abaumann> what I meant: I don't have login access to the buildmaster.
[21:02:05] <abaumann> I can stabilize packages..
[21:02:08] <tyzoid> That's what I figured
[21:02:10] <abaumann> ..via email.
[21:02:19] <abaumann> but it had some hickups in the past..
[21:02:41] <abaumann> buildmaster: why dont you stabilize mplayer
[21:02:43] <buildmaster> The following packages are dependent on "mplayer", but cannot be stabilized:
[21:02:43] <buildmaster> aarch64-linux-gnu-binutils.bded36be97ee642f097a749fe8bbfae9ea228a9c.eecf6a0c503748c95b379829be217cb4bcb29de4.community (not tested yet for 3 days)
[21:02:43] <buildmaster> abcde.d6b2da79bbdc606d6823b46a1ed0a878f28f8339.eecf6a0c503748c95b379829be217cb4bcb29de4.community (not tested yet for 3 days)
[21:02:43] <buildmaster> amule.3808cfa7003daf7bf354bba7c04b263161a911f0.61ac0747b064510acbebfca19581de208085b0f7.community (not unstaged yet for 1 days)
[21:02:43] <buildmaster> android-tools.b493eb89ab441541292ab13a9c49d1af85fd7bc6.8d84c59b6937880b67ef61946ec0b403450ebd95.community (not built yet)
[21:02:43] <buildmaster> ... (260 lines total)
[21:03:19] <abaumann> android-tools: this is really bad, as they don't have a fix. Why mplayer should have a dependency on that is beyond me.
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[21:04:39] <tyzoid> abaumann: I think it's saying android-tools depends on mplayer, not the other way around
[21:04:54] <abaumann> to show movies while developing? ;-)
[21:05:54] <tyzoid> Possibly as a media library
[21:05:57] <tyzoid> not sure
[21:06:12] <tyzoid> I can't seem to find that link via pkgapi, but we need a better deptree traversal tool
[21:08:21] <abaumann> No: android tools are things like adb to talk to the android device lowlevel.
[21:08:30] <abaumann> they cannot depend on mplayer.
[21:09:01] <abaumann> mplayer should use video, audio libraries, not provide some. it's a front.
[21:09:36] <tyzoid> I'm just trying to figure out why it's in the deptree
[21:09:45] <abaumann> Successfully marked 0 packages as tested.
[21:09:47] <abaumann> mmh.
[21:10:20] <tyzoid> Perfect
[21:28:48] <abaumann> https://bbs.archlinux.org
[21:28:48] <phrik> Title: mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libx264.so.148: cannot / Newbie Corner / Arch Linux Forums (at bbs.archlinux.org)
[21:29:20] <abaumann> yes. this is defintely the Archlinux32 bug https://bbs.archlinux32.org
[21:29:22] <phrik> Title: [SOLVED] Breaking mplayer with libx264.so.148 / Pacman / Pacman Upgrades / Arch Linux 32 Forums (at bbs.archlinux32.org)
[21:29:38] <abaumann> I'll link it in the Archlinux forum..
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[21:35:52] <abaumann> imeschwartz: hope, it's clear now. :-)
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[21:36:34] <tyzoid> wb deep42thought
[21:36:48] <tyzoid> imeschwartz, abaumann: did the thread get removed
[21:37:11] <deep42thought> hi tyzoid
[21:37:32] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Apparantly mplayer is still broken
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[21:38:26] <imeschwartz> tyzoid: yes, it was dustbinned, because we don't actually support archlinux32 at the best of times (which evasive people are not)
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[21:39:41] <abaumann> all ok. the link points to the archlinux32 forum and the problem is solved in archlinux.
[21:39:49] <abaumann> solved == not a problem :-)
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[21:40:43] <abaumann> deep42thought: mplayer is correct for me in testing.
[21:41:07] <abaumann> libx264.so.152 => /usr/lib/libx264.so.152, no libx264.so.148
[21:41:12] <deep42thought> so we may need to move some libraries from testing to stable, then
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[21:41:30] <abaumann> but I'm more worried what the buildmaster is telling us..
[21:41:39] <abaumann> buildmaster: why dont you stabilize mplayer
[21:41:40] <buildmaster> The following packages are dependent on "mplayer", but cannot be stabilized:
[21:41:40] <buildmaster> aarch64-linux-gnu-binutils.bded36be97ee642f097a749fe8bbfae9ea228a9c.eecf6a0c503748c95b379829be217cb4bcb29de4.community (not tested yet for 3 days)
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[21:41:40] <buildmaster> android-tools.b493eb89ab441541292ab13a9c49d1af85fd7bc6.8d84c59b6937880b67ef61946ec0b403450ebd95.community (not built yet)
[21:41:40] <buildmaster> ... (260 lines total)
[21:41:58] <deep42thought> :-D
[21:42:12] <abaumann> I don't see any connection why things should depend on each other.
[21:42:21] <deep42thought> well ... it's the usual "dependency knot"
[21:42:27] <abaumann> the buildmaster is drinking beer lately? ;-)
[21:42:27] <abaumann> ah.
[21:42:41] <abaumann> most like due to something toolchainish.
[21:42:51] <deep42thought> have a look at https://buildmaster.archlinux32.org for a smaller version of that
[21:42:53] <abaumann> I'm not sure, if the mpfr-knot is already out of testing.
[21:43:13] <deep42thought> these are only packages in staging and on the build list
[21:43:21] <deep42thought> and still it's a big knot :-/
[21:44:39] <abaumann> they could be linked over libcurl or so..
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[21:45:03] <deep42thought> yeah
[21:45:09] <deep42thought> it's usually something like that
[21:45:11] <abaumann> ..it's time to free some packages..
[21:45:16] <deep42thought> yes
[21:45:20] <abaumann> ..fly packages.. fly. :-)
[21:45:26] <deep42thought> I'll do a force-stabilization soon
[21:45:30] <abaumann> ok
[21:45:40] <deep42thought> wanted to test this in the new database anyway ;-)
[21:45:54] <abaumann> ah. very nice. :-)
[21:47:13] <deep42thought> the problem with the current dependency is if you have some basic run-time dependency (say "libx") which each package depends on - if you update libx, then you can only move all packages (and libx) at once - or nothing
[21:47:51] <abaumann> yep. and then a package high up blocks the whole stuff, because the upper package waits for upstream or a fix (android-tools)
[21:48:07] <deep42thought> right
[21:48:35] <deep42thought> I'm planning to introduce a new state for build list packages, "not blocked for building, but ignore for dependency checks"
[21:49:27] <deep42thought> then we could enable that for long-time-broken packages
[21:49:35] <deep42thought> to unclogg the build master
[21:49:48] <abaumann> ah. yes. that would solve it nicely.
[21:50:31] <deep42thought> currently there are only "time outs": "if some package is longer than x days in [staging]/[testing]/the build-list, then ignore it for considering dependencies"
[21:50:44] <deep42thought> but unfortunately, this results in many broken linkings
[21:51:00] <deep42thought> although, I'm not 100% sure how this happens exactly
[21:53:33] <tyzoid> I'm honestly just surprised I don't usually see these sorts of breakages in mainline arch
[21:54:02] <tyzoid> It's a testament to the hard work that goes into it
[21:54:08] <deep42thought> well, there someone with a minimum level of intelligence decides what needs to be moved together
[21:54:14] <deep42thought> yes
[21:54:20] <abaumann> yes. and a good task list actually.
[21:54:27] <deep42thought> and here a dumb monkey programmed an even dumber computer
[21:54:31] <tyzoid> would it help if I put up a task list?
[21:54:32] <abaumann> and people knowing their corner of the system..
[21:54:48] <abaumann> mmh. i think more people would help more.. :-)
[21:55:05] <deep42thought> yeah
[21:55:16] <deep42thought> but I'd really like to get these kind of decisions automated
[21:55:24] <abaumann> but peeking at the Archlinux todo list is very helpful to see, what will come down the pipe.
[21:55:32] <tyzoid> the more we can automate, the better.
[21:55:39] <tyzoid> Especially if it's correct.
[21:55:44] <abaumann> :-)
[21:55:52] <tyzoid> Automating incorrect behaviour just leads to more work
[21:55:53] <deep42thought> actually: "only if it's correct"
[21:55:59] <deep42thought> yeah
[21:56:02] <deep42thought> https://xkcd.com
[21:56:03] <phrik> Title: xkcd: Automation (at xkcd.com)
[21:56:27] <deep42thought> I especially love the definition of "auto-mate"
[21:56:42] <tyzoid> yeah
[21:56:45] <tyzoid> hovertext on that one is awesome
[21:56:52] <deep42thought> that's what I meant
[21:57:04] <abaumann> before automatization you have to do it some x times by hand..
[21:57:16] <abaumann> ..otherwise the brain cannot generalize and find patterns.
[21:57:18] <deep42thought> abaumann: why?
[21:57:22] <deep42thought> hmm
[21:57:31] <abaumann> at least my brain works like that. :-)
[21:57:50] <tyzoid> I will say it's harder to correctly generalize if you haven't seen the process
[21:57:58] <abaumann> if I automatize too soon, I always get overengineered stuff. :-)
[21:58:01] <tyzoid> ^
[21:58:32] <imeschwartz> we do everything manually, but we also have the manpower for that :D
[21:58:33] <abaumann> I think, it depends on the individual thinking process..
[21:59:22] <abaumann> like the picture though..
[22:07:22] <deep42thought> tyzoid: btw: the certs on bbs.archlinux32.org and bugs.archlinux32.org will expire on feb 21st - is this normal or is there some problem with certbot?
[22:07:40] <tyzoid> deep42thought: That's normal. I do the renewal manually right now.
[22:07:46] <deep42thought> ah, ok
[22:08:03] <abaumann> some let's encypting and acme tool?
[22:08:06] <deep42thought> then I'll reduce the warn-period
[22:09:49] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Just renewed
[22:09:59] <tyzoid> It's a single command, but it needs root to place the new certs.
[22:10:35] <tyzoid> I usually renew them when I get the letsencrypt reminder email
[22:11:02] <abaumann> I had some good success automatizing the process with the acme_client.
[22:11:22] <abaumann> but it follows exactly in the discussion before..
[22:11:22] <tyzoid> yeah, but that messes with your apache configs
[22:11:35] <abaumann> ..just for a few hosts the effort of automatization is too high.
[22:11:37] <tyzoid> I use a third-party tool that doesn't require root or modification to apache
[22:11:44] <abaumann> ah. ok.
[22:11:56] <abaumann> good from a security point of view.
[22:12:06] <abaumann> the nicest one is the OpenBSD version of acme_client.
[22:12:19] <abaumann> (personal opinion)
[22:12:21] <tyzoid> I'm not familiar with it
[22:12:50] <abaumann> well. has been ported, I think.
[22:12:50] <abaumann> https://man.openbsd.org
[22:12:52] <phrik> Title: acme-client(1) - OpenBSD manual pages (at man.openbsd.org)
[22:13:16] <abaumann> but any tool on https://letsencrypt.org is ok.
[22:13:17] <phrik> Title: ACME Client Implementations - Let's Encrypt - Free SSL/TLS Certificates (at letsencrypt.org)
[22:13:33] <abaumann> ah: https://kristaps.bsd.lv
[22:13:36] <phrik> Title: acme-client (at kristaps.bsd.lv)
[22:16:00] <tyzoid> huh, seems pretty cool
[22:24:08] <abaumann> http://www.andreasbaumann.cc
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[22:24:40] <abaumann> I should write more blogs, but most articles exist only in this plain text form. :-)
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[22:26:21] <andorlistick> Hi, I would like to know when we will have Firefox Quantum on Arch Linux 32
[22:26:36] <andorlistick> Firefox 58
[22:27:14] <deep42thought> it is currently in testing
[22:27:27] <deep42thought> and I guess I'm currently moving it to extra
[22:27:31] <deep42thought> but I'm not sure :-)
[22:27:40] <deep42thought> yeah, I do
[22:27:58] <andorlistick> Ok, thanks :)
[22:28:37] <deep42thought> ah no
[22:28:43] <deep42thought> I'm moving it from staging to testing
[22:28:48] <deep42thought> sry for the confusion
[22:29:11] <andorlistick> Oh
[22:29:39] <andorlistick> So we'll have Firefox tomorrow?
[22:29:51] <deep42thought> I can move it forward if you like
[22:29:57] <deep42thought> potentially breaking more stuff :-D
[22:30:58] <andorlistick> No, take your time.
[22:32:41] <abaumann> /data/arch32/scripts/sync_mirror
[22:32:47] <abaumann> argh..
[22:32:50] <abaumann> sorry :-)
[22:33:09] <abaumann> firefox 58.0.1-1.0 in testing looks fine..
[22:35:31] <deep42thought> ok
[22:35:39] <deep42thought> so I'll move everything forward now :-)
[22:36:19] <andorlistick> :D
[22:42:58] <abaumann> ok. me bed. bye. :-)
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