#archlinux32 | Logs for 2018-08-01

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[03:04:36] <pulec> i have to try to register at bugs again
[03:04:47] <pulec> but anyways the bug I wanted to report was my bad
[03:04:51] <pulec> so I am just a fool
[03:04:55] <pulec> so all is ok
[03:05:30] <pulec> someone mentioned a good browser usable for pcs older 2005
[03:05:34] <pulec> without sse2 I think
[03:05:46] <pulec> how mad is it to make it work?
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[06:21:23] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
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[09:24:10] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
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[13:05:33] <buildmaster> archiso is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[15:39:51] <tyzoid> deep42thought: isos are building atm
[15:40:01] <tyzoid> still catching up after last week's conference
[15:40:37] <deep42thought> tyzoid: you noticed, there is a new archiso version?
[15:40:39] <deep42thought> (no. 38)
[15:40:51] <tyzoid> I did not, but the script grabs the new version of everything
[15:41:08] <deep42thought> ok
[15:41:13] <deep42thought> changes are minimal anyway
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[15:50:52] <tyzoid> deep42thought: archiso32 references x86_64
[15:51:09] <tyzoid> it's erroring on line 105 of build.sh
[15:51:14] <deep42thought> öhm, whoops
[15:51:17] <deep42thought> let me check
[15:51:31] <tyzoid> 105 cp ${script_path}/pacman.conf ${work_dir}/x86_64/airootfs/etc
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[15:53:48] <deep42thought> there are even more x86_64 references O.o
[15:54:56] <deep42thought> ah, no
[15:55:04] <deep42thought> I was looking at the wrong thing :-)
[16:02:52] <deep42thought> tyzoid: should be fixed now :-)
[16:03:51] <tyzoid> thanks. Now for me to fix releng on multiarch
[16:04:10] <deep42thought> what do you mean?
[16:04:27] <deep42thought> it's simply version archiso32-38-2
[16:04:33] <deep42thought> or archiso-dual-38-2
[16:04:46] <tyzoid> https://multiarch.arch32.tyzoid.com has no releng :)
[16:04:48] <phrik> Title:Index of / (at multiarch.arch32.tyzoid.com)
[16:04:56] <deep42thought> ah, ok
[16:05:55] <deep42thought> for http://arch.eckner.net I put them together by a script
[16:05:57] <phrik> Title:Index of /merged/ (at arch.eckner.net)
[16:06:56] <tyzoid> fixed by adding a simlink
[16:07:15] <deep42thought> yeah, the script adds symlinks on my end, too ;-)
[16:09:05] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Running the build process again :)
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[16:23:19] <tyzoid> hmm cp: cannot stat 'work/i686/airootfs/usr/share/efitools/efi/HashTool.efi': No such file or directory
[16:25:04] <tyzoid> Looks like this is something for secureboot, but it isn't included in archiso/archiso32
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[16:29:48] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[16:30:01] <abaumann> Hi there from sweaty Switzerland.. :-)
[16:30:40] <abaumann> tyzoid: HashTool.efi is for those crazy enough to enable Secure Boot. As we deal with 32-bit machines mostly having BIOS, I don't think this is a big problem.
[16:30:59] <abaumann> If the tool is missing also upstream, then maybe that's really somthing to worry about.
[16:31:25] <tyzoid> abaumann: I think it's working on the -dual script for x86, I think it's just the i686 that's broken
[16:31:35] <tyzoid> but x86_64 hasn't finished yet
[16:31:38] <abaumann> ah. right.
[16:32:08] <tyzoid> abaumann: is fosdem really only 2 days?
[16:33:30] <abaumann> it was 2018, so I guess, yes.
[16:33:45] <tyzoid> https://fosdem.org
[16:33:47] <phrik> Title:FOSDEM 2018 - Next FOSDEM: 2 & 3 February 2019 (at fosdem.org)
[16:33:58] <tyzoid> For some reason I thought it was a week-long thing
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[17:00:10] <abaumann> pulec: https://bbs.archlinux32.org rustc and cross-compiling firefox will be fun :-)
[17:00:13] <phrik> Title:x86_64 Extra firefox 61.0.1-1 Standalone web browser from mozilla.org / Installation / Arch Linux 32 Forums (at bbs.archlinux32.org)
[17:01:36] <pulec> is it?
[17:01:55] <abaumann> for some definitions of 'fun'. :-)
[17:01:58] <tyzoid> #sarcas,
[17:02:02] <tyzoid> #sarcasm *
[17:02:18] <pulec> really no other browser works?
[17:02:26] <pulec> at least limited functionality
[17:02:59] <abaumann> Tried opera, vivaldi, seamonkey, firefox, midory: all of them have SSE2 in them.
[17:03:13] <abaumann> min uses electron (which is broken on 32-bit).
[17:03:21] <abaumann> eolie breaks with SSE2 again.
[17:03:37] <abaumann> And even if they run they consume amounts of memory..
[17:03:52] <abaumann> ..so on mu Alix 1.E u'm using xterm with w3m and integrated images.
[17:04:03] <abaumann> I would also love to use something non-textual..
[17:04:40] <abaumann> all browsers rely on the same javascript engine and on one or two rendering enginges for HTML, those are heavilly optimized..
[17:05:35] <abaumann> cross-compiling firefox (or any mozilla software actually) would solve two problems: avoid the out of memory issues when compiling and have a non-SSE(2) version of a standard browser.
[17:06:27] <tyzoid> abaumann: Does midori have sse2?
[17:07:12] <abaumann> at least I got a 'illegal instruction' on the alix. so it's either SSE or SSE2..
[17:08:06] <pulec> damn
[17:08:20] <pulec> and using some oooold pre sse2 version is probably mad right?
[17:08:42] <tyzoid> possibly
[17:08:46] <abaumann> worth a try. but how many web pages will work, I wonder.
[17:08:51] <tyzoid> you're free to look at https://archive.archlinux32.org
[17:08:52] <phrik> Title:Index of / (at archive.archlinux32.org)
[17:09:07] <pulec> hm I gotta explain kids that there is no browsing on these old pcs
[17:09:23] <tyzoid> pulec: elinks?
[17:09:32] <pulec> they not ready for that yet, they are 7 and 5 old
[17:09:50] <tyzoid> sounds like it's high time they should start xD
[17:09:54] <pulec> and I would use w3m
[17:10:03] <pulec> or can elinks display pics? :D
[17:10:21] <abaumann> all text browsers can display pictures, if compiled in.
[17:10:38] <tyzoid> idk, but think about how much less distracting the internet can be without pornographic popup advertising
[17:10:48] <abaumann> and how fast.. :-)
[17:10:56] <abaumann> it's incredible fast in a text browser..
[17:10:56] <tyzoid> tHiNk Of ThE cHiLdReN
[17:11:15] <pulec> oh
[17:11:19] <pulec> it works yeah
[17:11:33] <pulec> alyways tried w3m only in console
[17:11:59] <abaumann> chromium: illegal instruction.
[17:12:11] <tyzoid> I would have been shocked if chromium *worked*
[17:12:38] <abaumann> indeed :-)
[17:12:46] <abaumann> elinks and lynx have no inline images, w3m has.
[17:12:50] <pulec> webkit yeah
[17:12:56] <tyzoid> not even
[17:12:57] <tyzoid> blink
[17:13:00] <pulec> ah
[17:13:16] <pulec> abaumann: yeah it works, but sometimes they disappar when I scroll
[17:13:21] <pulec> might be terminator issue on this machine tho
[17:13:46] <abaumann> right. they do.
[17:14:03] <pulec> nope, other term emu do that as well
[17:14:24] <tyzoid> brb, windows wants to reboot a fifth time today
[17:14:54] <abaumann> pulec: Do you have sse and just no sse2?
[17:15:05] <pulec> yeah, athlon xps
[17:15:07] <abaumann> because then some firefox ESR or so could work.
[17:15:10] <pulec> or P4
[17:15:13] <pulec> oh
[17:15:14] <abaumann> grep flags /proc/cpuinfo
[17:15:20] <pulec> not at those machines currently
[17:15:35] <abaumann> ah. ok.
[17:15:36] <pulec> thx for the tip
[17:15:44] <abaumann> np
[17:26:40] <abaumann> deepin seems blocked by: "Neither PKGBUILD nor modification of PKGBUILD found for package "deepin-notifications" from community (community), revisions b80d4ed6be5f020b4a313e81ecdba0d150875d2c and 30f90494eb784c9b580d652b885e6b8e3c303b51.
[17:26:44] <abaumann> "
[17:26:59] <abaumann> I can only see a trunk in the community repo.
[17:28:48] <pulec> there are other issues with deepin package
[17:28:55] <pulec> I had conflict with one of the wallpapers
[17:29:20] <abaumann> ah. maybe the wallpapers were published and the rest not yet.
[17:29:33] <abaumann> you could try with an older version of the wallpapers from the archive..
[17:31:08] <abaumann> the bug above is not in stable, but in testing.
[17:31:32] <pulec> anyways using deepin on pcs with 512MB ram... not a good idea
[17:33:18] <abaumann> no. go with lxde or something lightweight. :-)
[17:35:53] <pulec> yup
[17:36:44] <tyzoid> is xfce4 considered lightweight these days?
[17:37:10] <abaumann> mmh. it's a little bit heavier than lxde, that's my feeling.
[17:38:00] <tyzoid> Currently use xfce4 everywhere, but considering moving to kde. Not sure if I'll like the extra bloaty-feeling
[17:38:27] <abaumann> kde looks always a little bit windowsy to me.. :-)
[17:39:07] <tyzoid> My primary motiviation is due to plasma mobile
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[19:52:26] <elibrokeit> BTW I'd just like to reaffirm my appreciation for archlinux32 having a relatively sane build system
[19:53:12] <elibrokeit> I just debugged a #parabola issue which turns out to be "all custom perl packages have been broken for 11 months, plus we fork the PKGBUILDs permanently"
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[20:06:50] <tyzoid> elibrokeit: Thanks :). Mostly for our own benefit that we stay as close to upstream as possible
[20:07:11] <tyzoid> but it's nice that our stuff can help prevent / reveal bugs upstream too
[20:09:23] <elibrokeit> so, like, you'll probably remember the great perl rebuild of https://git.archlinux.org
[20:09:37] <elibrokeit> a.k.a https://www.archlinux.org
[20:10:25] <tyzoid> I don't, but I don't deal with the build system xD
[20:10:28] <elibrokeit> well, parabola did not rebuild their packages for this, as can be attested to by hexchat being broken
[20:10:39] <elibrokeit> it's the arch news, surely you remember that
[20:10:39] <tyzoid> but yeah, I can see how that'd be an issue
[20:10:56] <tyzoid> For sure, just that it didn't affect me
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[20:28:57] <buildmaster> Hi phrik!
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[20:33:52] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[20:33:58] <tyzoid> wb
[20:34:02] <deep42thought> Hi!
[20:35:39] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Did you see my message re. secure boot on i686
[20:35:40] <tyzoid> ?
[20:35:52] <deep42thought> I'm still reading through the logs
[20:35:57] <deep42thought> but, yeah, saw that
[20:36:06] <deep42thought> probably some simple thing to switch off for i686
[20:36:22] <deep42thought> but I need some time to look into this / think about it
[20:37:59] <deep42thought> tyzoid: you're buing plane tickets to fosdem already?
[20:38:26] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Need to plan ahead if I want to try to get $company to pay for them.
[20:38:47] <deep42thought> plan some other conference around it in europe?
[20:39:02] <tyzoid> is there another conference around the same time as fosdem?
[20:39:07] <deep42thought> dunno
[20:40:55] <deep42thought> tyzoid: this HashTool.efi thing is there since mid of march
[20:41:13] <tyzoid> deep42thought: Sure, but it's missing now :/
[20:41:21] <deep42thought> no, I mean the copy command
[20:41:45] <tyzoid> Yeah, but the file it's trying to copy doesn't exist
[20:41:53] <deep42thought> I understand
[20:42:30] <deep42thought> buildmaster: wtf HashTool.efi
[20:42:39] <buildmaster> deep42thought: [extra] efitools (1.8.1-1.0): /usr/share/efitools/efi/HashTool.efi
[20:42:55] <deep42thought> !wtf HashTool.efi
[20:43:00] <phrik> deep42thought: extra/efitools
[20:43:13] <tyzoid> but is that in airootfs?
[20:43:32] <deep42thought> depends if something in packages.both has it as dependencies
[20:44:41] <deep42thought> nope, looks like it's missing upstream, too
[20:45:04] <tyzoid> the -dual iso was successfully created, though
[20:45:06] <deep42thought> only archboot depends on it and neither archboot nor efitools is in the packages list
[20:45:09] <deep42thought> O.o
[20:45:12] <tyzoid> only seems to affect -i686.iso
[20:50:03] <deep42thought> the dual iso copies that file from the x86_64 airootfs
[20:51:00] <deep42thought> is efi on 32 bit actually a thing?
[20:51:27] <tyzoid> We don't support it for the install, but idk if we support it for the iso
[20:51:41] <tyzoid> I don't think we did
[20:57:30] <deep42thought> from version i686-v34 to i686-v35, I removed the part that created those efi files
[20:57:37] <deep42thought> should I put them back there?
[20:58:11] <tyzoid> might as well
[21:00:51] <deep42thought> 7501890 is the bad commit
[21:01:01] <tyzoid> brb.
[21:03:10] <buildmaster> firefox-developer-edition is broken (says buildknecht).
[21:15:32] <deep42thought> tyzoid: when you're back, you can try the new archiso32 - it should have that commit reverted
[21:23:52] <tyzoid> will do
[21:26:11] <tyzoid> deep42thought: In the interests of time, would you like to help test out the -dual iso?
[21:26:35] <tyzoid> if not, I'll test later tonight
[21:27:08] <deep42thought> I think, I don't want to / don't can / don't have time
[21:27:09] <deep42thought> sry
[21:27:20] <tyzoid> no problem
[21:48:20] <buildmaster> gitlab is broken (says buildknecht).
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[22:20:42] <buildmaster> deepin-launcher is broken (says buildknecht).
[22:30:30] <buildmaster> deepin-wm is broken (says buildknecht).
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