#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-03-28
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[01:43:37] <buildmaster> i686/vlc is broken (says nlopc46).
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[02:55:35] <buildmaster> i686/sip is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[04:07:30] <buildmaster> i686/c2hs are broken (says eurobuild3).
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[06:52:39] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[06:52:39] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[06:52:41] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> transmission is nice software.. I'm just not able to use it, it seems :-)
[06:53:13] <abaumann> KitsuWhooa: It's a Asus P55T2P4, seems not to have a CR2032 slot anywhere..
[06:54:00] <KitsuWhooa> Yup, has a dallas chip
[06:54:08] <KitsuWhooa> https://www.dreamhardware.com
[06:54:11] <abaumann> Yep, and the battery is integrated.
[06:54:13] <KitsuWhooa> you can see it at the bottom with a clock
[06:54:37] <KitsuWhooa> This is how these are fixed http://www.deblauweschicht.nl :p
[06:54:38] <phrik> Title: De Blauwe Schicht! (at www.deblauweschicht.nl)
[06:55:22] <abaumann> Thanks, really nice link. :-)
[06:55:44] <KitsuWhooa> np :p
[06:56:04] <abaumann> I feared something along the lines.. I was hoping for at least a hard-soldered battery.. but inside the chip? *sigh*
[06:56:16] <KitsuWhooa> Yeah it's really crappy
[06:56:27] <KitsuWhooa> and even the "new ones" you can find are just old unused ones with their batteries drained
[06:57:01] <abaumann> to be fair.. the board is from 1996?
[06:57:26] <abaumann> the battery hold that long, which is a miracle..
[06:58:06] <KitsuWhooa> yeah
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[07:22:02] <abaumann> http://www.mcamafia.de
[07:22:05] <phrik> Title: Reworking the DS1287 / DS1387 RTC chip (at www.mcamafia.de)
[07:22:23] <abaumann> also an option, resoder the correct pins on the chip and add an external battery.
[07:22:33] <abaumann> OHOH, I saw 5$ chips on ebay..
[07:23:27] <KitsuWhooa> It's probably better to remove the old battery
[07:23:32] <KitsuWhooa> otherwise it might try to charge up
[07:24:05] <abaumann> so, the battery inside the chip is a rechargeable one? this would explain the long life-time.
[07:24:51] <KitsuWhooa> No, it's not
[07:25:01] <KitsuWhooa> but there's nothing preventing current from flowing to it if you just shove another battery in parallel
[07:25:13] <abaumann> yeah. that's true.
[07:26:20] <abaumann> ping 16 seems to be a bettery minus, so it could be cut.
[07:26:27] <abaumann> this is all too much work really :-)
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[07:31:26] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[07:31:26] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[07:31:28] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> arch32 is on the bleeding edge of arch, which is on the bleeding edge of software?
[07:31:44] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[07:33:01] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[07:35:00] <deep42thought> I'm afraid, my eeepc is finally dying :-(
[07:35:13] <deep42thought> currently it refuses to sync to disc before rebooting
[07:35:24] <abaumann> oh :-(
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[07:52:34] <deep42thought> now I'm in a rescue console, but the keyboard is not working ...
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[08:27:55] <buildmaster> i686/dart is broken (says eurobuild3).
[08:33:53] <buildmaster> i686/faust is broken (says nlopc46).
[08:49:08] <buildmaster> i686/go is broken (says nlopc46).
[08:51:11] <buildmaster> i686/arrayfire is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[08:58:47] <buildmaster> i686/kaudiocreator is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[09:44:58] <buildmaster> i686/gap is broken (says eurobuild3).
[09:51:21] <abaumann> ok. they broke all again. thought, it was just a build glitch..
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[10:04:08] <deep42thought> well, it could be a persistent build-glitch ;-)
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[10:49:41] <abaumann> deep42thought: GNAT bootstrapping,
[10:49:43] <abaumann> https://www.adacore.com
[10:49:45] <phrik> Title: Downloads - Adacore (at www.adacore.com)
[10:49:54] <deep42thought> abaumann: I got it working :-)
[10:49:59] <abaumann> if you need only the 64-bit version.
[10:50:01] <abaumann> ah yeah.
[10:50:04] <abaumann> cool :-)
[10:50:18] <deep42thought> https://crux.eckner.net
[10:50:31] <abaumann> good old CRUX :-)
[10:51:03] <abaumann> mmh. crux didn't have gnat till now?
[10:51:08] <deep42thought> yes
[10:51:09] <deep42thought> :-D
[10:51:15] <deep42thought> well, it still does not have it
[10:51:20] <abaumann> but will :-)
[10:51:23] <deep42thought> _I_ do have it, now
[10:51:32] <deep42thought> I'm not an official dev of crux
[10:51:44] <deep42thought> there is no use for gnat afaik
[10:51:57] <deep42thought> ... only for topal for alpine (which is not part of crux either)
[10:52:03] <abaumann> I always wondererd, if there is anything actually written in ADA on Linux..
[10:52:09] <deep42thought> :-D
[10:52:26] <abaumann> ..brings me to an idea.. a HTML rendering engine in ADA.. ;-)
[10:52:44] <deep42thought> :-)
[10:53:19] <abaumann> BTW: checking out mini-UPS because of the power-outage yesterday..
[10:53:44] <deep42thought> My alix is powered / supported by an old laptop battery
[10:54:02] <abaumann> and you have a charger circuit?
[10:54:11] <deep42thought> I have diodes :-)
[10:54:32] <deep42thought> the intelligence is in the cell
[10:54:43] <abaumann> *abaumann hates he didn't do more with elecetronics in the past.. thus lacking quite some experience in that field..
[10:54:57] <abaumann> ah. that's a neat idea..
[10:55:39] <deep42thought> I *think*, I have an 7809 or similar between the battery and the alix to get the right voltage
[10:55:47] <deep42thought> but that's pretty much all about that circuit
[10:56:53] <deep42thought> arrrgh, my ISP truncates tcp traffic from port 53 after ~1MB
[10:56:58] <deep42thought> that breaks zone transfers
[10:57:08] <deep42thought> and thus my local resolver does not resolve :-(
[10:57:20] <abaumann> yes. I know this problem.
[10:57:30] <deep42thought> how do you circumvent it?
[10:57:31] <abaumann> I had to move my public DNS to buddyns.
[10:57:41] <abaumann> mu local DSN is just service AXFR to buddyns.
[10:58:01] <abaumann> so I'm authorative and don't have to hold the DNS request load..
[10:58:19] <abaumann> ..and my ISP is happy I'm not opening funny DNS-attack vectors in his network.
[10:58:32] <deep42thought> for me it's the other way round
[10:58:40] <deep42thought> I want to receive AXFR to my home net
[10:58:43] <deep42thought> (for opennic)
[10:58:49] <abaumann> ah.
[10:58:54] <deep42thought> but some zones (presumably large zones) fail to transfer
[10:59:01] <abaumann> talk to your ISP, basically.
[10:59:05] <deep42thought> I checked with ncat and it aborts after ~1MB
[10:59:17] <deep42thought> I just did write them an email
[10:59:19] <abaumann> Mine was blocking 53/UDP completly as security measurement.
[10:59:29] <deep42thought> they let that through
[10:59:30] <abaumann> So I got an exception their network :-)
[10:59:34] <deep42thought> but they rewrite answers
[10:59:45] <deep42thought> ^also funny
[10:59:47] <abaumann> yeah. would bet so.
[11:00:15] <abaumann> AXFR is basically a short question with a big answer (the whole zone). ideal for DSOs. :->
[11:00:23] <abaumann> *DSAs
[11:00:40] <deep42thought> yeah, but it's over tcp, so: hard to spoof
[11:00:47] <abaumann> true
[11:01:08] <deep42thought> http is also a short-question-long-answer protocol
[11:01:21] <deep42thought> still it's a bad idea to truncate the answers after 1MB :-D
[11:02:31] <deep42thought> ok, I have to leave - cu later!
[11:02:35] <abaumann> ok, cu
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[11:58:31] <abaumann> .quit
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[12:00:45] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[12:00:45] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[12:00:46] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> "und wieder ist ein Tag vollbracht und wieder ist nur Murks gemacht"
[13:10:03] <deep42thought> what is it with qcad always chaning its source so the checksum never matches ???
[13:11:21] <rcf> Some people like taking the George Lucas approach to releases.
[13:12:57] <deep42thought> there is a checksum from archlinux, one which abaumann pushed a few days ago and now even another one ...
[13:13:49] <deep42thought> ah, wait, abaumann's checksum might have been for a different version
[13:14:09] <deep42thought> .... I'll just put 'SKIP' in there and we will never again hear something from qcad >:-)
[13:55:45] <oaken-source> libglvnd keeps vanishing and reappearing from i686 [extra]. is that a bug on your end or on ours?
[13:56:14] <deep42thought> sounds like a bug on our end
[13:56:56] <deep42thought> otoh, the current one was built 2018-10-07
[13:57:15] <deep42thought> when did it disappear?
[13:59:11] <oaken-source> two hours ago
[13:59:21] <oaken-source> well, sometime between two hours ago and six hours ago
[13:59:30] <deep42thought> /mnt/archlinux32/i686/extra/libglvnd-1.1.0-1.2-i686.pkg.tar.xz
[13:59:34] <deep42thought> it is on the master mirror
[14:00:18] <deep42thought> and it is also in the extra.db.tar.gz database
[14:00:42] <deep42thought> is it still gone on your end?
[14:00:51] <deep42thought> or did it reappear?
[14:01:31] <oaken-source> no, it's back.
[14:01:58] <deep42thought> hmm, that symlink I cited is also from october 2018
[14:02:02] <oaken-source> this keeps happening with this particular package though
[14:02:06] <deep42thought> so I doubt that it was ever gone over here ...
[14:02:21] <deep42thought> we have another libglvnd in [build-support]
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[14:02:33] <deep42thought> maybe that is the reason, why it's happening only to that package
[14:02:51] <deep42thought> oaken-source: you are "simply" monitoring the symlinks on the mirror?
[14:03:00] <deep42thought> or the entries in the extra.db.tar.gz?
[14:03:03] <deep42thought> or something else?
[14:03:13] <oaken-source> no, I'm checking for dependency consistency across the parabola repositories
[14:03:30] <oaken-source> and every once in a while 'libgl' is unsatisfiable on i686
[14:03:44] <oaken-source> every time this happens, libglvnd is not in our version of i686 [extra]
[14:03:54] <oaken-source> I'm trying to track down the root cause :)
[14:04:11] <deep42thought> yeah
[14:04:54] <deep42thought> what determines which package is in your i686 [extra]?
[14:04:56] <oaken-source> my current guess is, that it must be missing from your i686 [extra] as well, when that happens (I think I remember checking the web interface and it was gone, but I'm not sure)
[14:05:33] <oaken-source> we have a process that pulls from your mirrors and filters by some arbitrary rules, but I'm not the expert in that process
[14:06:08] <deep42thought> libglvnd has last_update values of somewhen in 2018
[14:06:13] <deep42thought> these are auto-update columns
[14:06:22] <deep42thought> so I doubt, that it was actually moved in 2019
[14:06:44] <deep42thought> let me check another thing ...
[14:07:51] <deep42thought> also the time of the stuff inside the database is from 2018
[14:07:53] <deep42thought> hmm
[14:08:08] <deep42thought> to me, it really looks like if it was never away
[14:09:42] <oaken-source> I think I might have found the problem. our db import scripts can't handle packages with identical name and pkgver in different repositories.
[14:09:46] <oaken-source> thanks for the help :)
[14:10:06] <deep42thought> you're welcome :-)
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[15:19:00] <oaken-source> deep42thought: quick follow-up question. are you using upstream arch's dbscripts to manage your repos? we are currently discussing whether the behavior is a bug in dbscripts, or whether you are presenting a broken repository, by having the same package with identical pkgver and pkgrel in two separate repos.
[15:19:31] <deep42thought> no, we do not use dbscripts
[15:20:04] <deep42thought> we actually need to may have identical packages in different repos
[15:20:15] <oaken-source> even with identical pkgrel?
[15:20:25] <deep42thought> yes
[15:20:32] <deep42thought> well, we don't mind the pkgrel
[15:20:38] <deep42thought> but it may be identical
[15:20:45] <deep42thought> and it's easier if it's allowed to be
[15:20:54] <deep42thought> but note, that this should only happen with [build-support]
[15:21:05] <deep42thought> (although we do not explicitely check for that)
[15:22:06] <oaken-source> right now, I feel like a windows user who just received a fat formatted pendrive with two files: important.txt and Important.txt :)
[15:22:22] <oaken-source> allright, thanks for the input. we'll figure something out :)
[15:22:25] <deep42thought> The idea is, that there is a build mode in which [build-support] has the highest priority - so you can have an older library there to not-break your build chain and compile some other stuff
[15:23:00] <deep42thought> and the easiest way (which we also currently employ) is to copy something from core/extra/community over to build-support
[15:24:24] <oaken-source> but in that case the pkgver doesn't have to be equal, it has to be greater or equal, right?
[15:24:39] <deep42thought> it doesn't matter at all
[15:24:49] <deep42thought> the order of the repositories in pacman.conf is the relevant thing
[15:25:10] <deep42thought> but it's easier to copy an existing package than to fiddle with the metadata of one just to create a "distinct" copy
[15:25:26] <oaken-source> ah, I understand.
[15:25:40] <oaken-source> thanks again
[15:25:44] <deep42thought> np
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[15:43:15] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[15:43:15] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[15:43:16] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> "give developers mighty machines and trouble you have with software.."
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[17:16:05] <buildmaster> i686/hedgewars are broken (says nlopc46).
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[19:21:04] <buildmaster> i686/percona-server is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[19:38:30] <buildmaster> i686/deepin-launcher is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[19:42:32] <buildmaster> i686/startdde is broken (says rechenknecht).
[19:47:57] <buildmaster> i686/deepin-dock is broken (says eurobuild3).
[20:03:23] <buildmaster> i686/sagemath-doc is broken (says eurobuild3).
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[21:39:37] <buildmaster> i686/sagemath is broken (says rechenknecht).
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[22:04:25] <buildmaster> i686/facter is broken (says rechenknecht).
[22:22:11] <buildmaster> i686/vibe-d is broken (says eurobuild3).
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