#archlinux32 | Logs for 2019-11-28
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[02:07:55] <buildmaster> i686/virtualbox is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
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[02:42:57] <buildmaster> i686/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
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[03:41:05] <buildmaster> pentium4/virtualbox is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
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[07:48:25] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[07:48:25] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[07:48:26] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> good software is like a good meal: you cannot expect to get something really good if it's done in 5 minutes ...
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[07:55:47] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[07:55:47] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[07:55:48] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> people tend to rewrite things in new hip languages, just because they are too lazy to read old code
[07:55:52] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[07:55:55] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[07:56:26] <abaumann> new day, new rust :-)
[07:56:30] <deep42thought> :-D
[07:56:57] <abaumann> but I have to first test, whether the rust compiler works, by compiling another rust probably
[07:57:54] <deep42thought> the kernel should be (re)written in rust - then you could compile the kernel to see whether rust works
[07:59:10] <abaumann> don't make jokes like that.. it will happen sooner or later..
[07:59:25] <abaumann> community/netsurf/PKGBUILD: why can I not set makedepends like that?
[08:00:08] <deep42thought> should work
[08:00:22] <abaumann> mmh
[08:01:17] <deep42thought> wait, looks like I was testing against an old upstream version
[08:05:27] <deep42thought> I don't see libnsutils=0.0.5-4 as a makedepends?
[08:05:32] <deep42thought> where did you get that from?
[08:06:01] <abaumann> in repos/community-x86-64
[08:06:13] <deep42thought> it's in _depends_!
[08:06:19] <abaumann> oh.
[08:06:20] <abaumann> now
[08:06:24] <abaumann> cool :-)
[08:07:00] <abaumann> they split off a mini-library (libnsutils is part of netsurf) and make the binary depend on the build version?
[08:07:04] <deep42thought> *that* is, what happens when upstream refuses to put "provides=(libnsutils.so)" into libnsutils's PKGBUILD
[08:07:05] <abaumann> this doesn't sound right.
[08:07:13] <abaumann> :-)
[08:07:22] <deep42thought> it should really depend on libnsutils.so
[08:07:25] <abaumann> effectively breaking our builds..
[08:07:29] <deep42thought> and libnsutils should provide libnsutils.so
[08:07:46] <deep42thought> then pacman would add the soname version at _buildtime_
[08:08:10] <abaumann> yes, this is more robust.
[08:08:25] <deep42thought> do you want to open the bug?
[08:08:30] <abaumann> hang on
[08:08:42] <abaumann> it doesn't work for libraries which don't set soname versions
[08:08:51] <abaumann> or have a proper versioning scheme in place
[08:09:01] <abaumann> and this could easily be 95% of all libraries
[08:10:04] <abaumann> glibc, dbus etc. are the exceptions.. and properly maintained libraries.
[08:11:43] <buildmaster> i686/netsurf is broken (says eurobuild3): https://archlinux32.org
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[08:17:09] <deep42thought> a find reveales several more files depending on pkgrels
[08:18:06] <deep42thought> should we strip pkgrel from depends, makedepends, checkdepends in our build tools automatically?
[08:19:15] <abaumann> we have the choice that they fail early and can maybe influence the build order..
[08:19:23] <abaumann> ..if we strip it automatically, it will build..
[08:19:41] <abaumann> ..but maybe cause strange linking issues which are then only spotted in testing or rather stable.
[08:19:45] <abaumann> hard to say.
[08:19:49] <deep42thought> it will never build with depending on specific pkgrels
[08:20:04] <deep42thought> so we need to patch each package individually anyways
[08:20:06] <abaumann> yeah, but if we strip pkgrel it will build
[08:20:17] <deep42thought> yes
[08:20:27] <abaumann> this causes maintainance burden, also not nice
[08:20:35] <deep42thought> but how is modifying each package manually different from doing so automatically?
[08:20:54] <abaumann> propably not
[08:21:08] <deep42thought> you would need to manually *replace* the pkgrel
[08:21:12] <abaumann> *probably
[08:21:20] <deep42thought> e.g. "=1.0.0-4" -> "=1.0.0-4.0"
[08:21:39] <abaumann> this is awkward
[08:21:49] <deep42thought> exactly
[08:21:49] <abaumann> I just replaced it now with the version =1.0.0
[08:21:54] <deep42thought> yes
[08:22:03] <deep42thought> but now, it will build next time automatically anyways
[08:22:05] <abaumann> but this causes future builds to work automacically
[08:22:10] <deep42thought> exactly
[08:22:22] <abaumann> unless it the version of the library is say 1.0.1
[08:22:37] <deep42thought> yeah, then it will break *again* :-D
[08:22:42] <abaumann> what kind of library is that, which breaks, changes ABI and leaves the version number to 1.0.0
[08:33:34] <deep42thought> ok, pkgrels should now be automatically removed
[08:35:59] <abaumann> cool :-)
[08:37:30] <deep42thought> ah, putting do-not-run-build-slave files onto the slaves is a brilliant idea :-)
[08:37:44] <abaumann> it's one which works :-)
[08:38:20] <deep42thought> I usually hacked something together with a /tmp/weiter-so file and `while [ -f /tmp/weiter-so ]; do build-packages; done`
[08:39:37] <abaumann> me too :-)
[08:39:53] <abaumann> but I got tired of long commands launched in screens :-)
[08:40:03] <deep42thought> yeah, right :-)
[08:40:32] <deep42thought> you can use up to 500 long commands - then they will vanish from your history and you need to *really* remember them
[08:40:59] <abaumann> I always get bash history corruption, so I try to stick to 79 characters..
[08:41:31] * deep42thought didn't know the history could get corrupted
[08:41:39] <deep42thought> ah, well, actually, I have seen it before
[08:42:44] <deep42thought> copy-paste any multi-line command from the build tools (preferably one, building up a mysql query), execute, <arrow up>, <Enter> -> Failure
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[08:52:19] <deep42thought> hmm, encrypting swap on i486 fails :-/
[08:52:59] <deep42thought> https://eckner.net
[08:53:35] <abaumann> mmh
[08:53:40] <deep42thought> then I'm asked for a passphrase
[08:53:53] <abaumann> broken cypher?
[08:54:02] <deep42thought> broken user interface
[08:54:13] <abaumann> systemd-cryptsetup :-)
[08:54:24] <deep42thought> I put into crypttab: swap UUID=13b0e159-8573-40f8-a308-b34f1bbf1a6f /dev/urandom swap,offset=2048,cipher=aes-xts-plain64,size=512
[08:54:27] <abaumann> you just applied for beta-testing
[08:54:40] <deep42thought> which *should* tell it, that 512 bytes from /dev/urandom should be used as the key
[08:54:58] <deep42thought> I'm already beta-testing cryptsetup with integrity target, it seems
[08:55:04] <abaumann> :-)
[08:55:12] <deep42thought> ... with my backup server :-/
[08:57:56] <abaumann> *mpf*
[08:57:59] <deep42thought> systemd-cryptsetup is poorly documented
[08:58:43] <abaumann> ah, that's new around systemd software :->
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[08:59:52] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:59:52] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:59:53] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> I know this feeling: doing hundrets of laser shots (manually) just to discover, that your spectrometer was on auto-trigger, but not on auto-save ...
[09:45:28] <deep42thought> this seems to be a real archlinux32 issue :-(
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[12:23:45] <abaumann> https://bugs.archlinux32.org
[12:23:47] <phrik> Title: FS#96 : [rust] broken or missing backend (at bugs.archlinux32.org)
[12:23:56] <abaumann> fixed. I'll retrigger some packages based on rust..
[12:24:27] <deep42thought> ui, you fixed rust :-)
[12:24:36] <abaumann> :-)
[12:26:03] <deep42thought> lunchtime :-)
[12:27:05] <abaumann> enyoi
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[13:02:50] <buildmaster> pentium4/emacs are broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[13:04:01] <buildmaster> pentium4/seamonkey is broken (says eurobuild6-2) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2019-09-05: https://archlinux32.org
[13:07:30] <buildmaster> i686/firefox is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[13:08:38] <buildmaster> pentium4/thunderbird is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[13:10:48] <buildmaster> pentium4/firefox is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[13:11:36] <buildmaster> pentium4/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
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[13:14:48] <buildmaster> pentium4/pantheon-calendar is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[13:40:26] <buildmaster> i686/seamonkey is broken (says nlopc46) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2019-09-05: https://archlinux32.org
[13:41:01] <deep42thought> re
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[14:18:03] <deep42thought> errrrr
[14:18:10] <deep42thought> looks like I broke gtk3 :-D
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[15:25:23] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[15:25:23] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[15:25:24] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[18:11:49] <nit-picker> key 2FF1E976D6EB2E954A87DC14443904EC9EC51A8A (from Roelf Wichertjes (archlinux32 master key) <contact@roelf.org>) in package archlinux32-keyring-20191103-1.0-any.pkg.tar.xz expires on 2019-11-13 (in -15 < 100 days).
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[19:31:34] <nit-picker> key 2FF1E976D6EB2E954A87DC14443904EC9EC51A8A (from Roelf Wichertjes (archlinux32 master key) <contact@roelf.org>) in package archlinux32-keyring-transition-20191103-1-any.pkg.tar.xz expires on 2019-11-13 (in -15 < 100 days).
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[19:58:54] <vvrng> hello!
[19:59:22] <vvrng> did anybody get audacity to work here?
[20:10:36] <vvrng> more specifically, lilv dependencies are broken
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[21:54:02] <vvrng> and lilv is a dependency for all major recording software on linux
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[22:40:45] <Fcnjd> Hello community!
[22:41:36] <Fcnjd> I'd like to ask a quick question here: Does anyone know if it's possible to rebuild the iso for the i686 architecture? On the website, I found prebuilt isos, but not the modified build system.
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[23:23:01] <buildmaster> i686/grafana is broken (says rechenknecht) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2019-11-28: https://archlinux32.org
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[23:43:39] <buildmaster> pentium4/grafana is broken (says rechenknecht) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2019-11-28: https://archlinux32.org