#archlinux32 | Logs for 2020-04-21
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[00:04:11] <trotz> 2020/04/21 00:03 WARN jeti100 PING PING WARNING - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 171.99 ms
[00:14:11] <trotz> 2020/04/21 00:13 WARN archlinux32.org PING PING WARNING - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 204.19 ms
[00:24:11] <trotz> 2020/04/21 00:23 OK archlinux32.org PING PING OK - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 171.20 ms
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[00:30:38] <buildmaster> Hi girls!
[00:30:38] <buildmaster> !rq girls
[00:30:39] <phrik> buildmaster: <girls> "(09:23:53) fogobogo: just as i always said, telnet is superior"
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[00:57:42] <buildmaster> i686/disorderfs are broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[01:00:28] <buildmaster> i486/disorderfs are broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[01:46:07] <buildmaster> pentium4/disorderfs are broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[01:51:20] <buildmaster> pentium4/python-rpy2 is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[01:52:57] <buildmaster> i486/gitlab-gitaly is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[01:58:02] <buildmaster> i686/intel-opencl-clang is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
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[04:43:30] <trotz> 2020/04/21 04:43 OK jeti100 PING PING OK - Packet loss = 0%, RTA = 16.11 ms
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[06:09:07] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[06:09:07] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[06:09:08] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[06:44:59] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in pentium4/staging:
[06:44:59] <nit-picker> mlt-6.20.0-3.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-07 (14 days)
[06:44:59] <nit-picker> libgit2-1:1.0.0-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[06:44:59] <nit-picker> basket-2.49b-3.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[06:44:59] <nit-picker> kxmlgui-5.69.0-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-12 (8 days)
[06:45:00] <nit-picker> kio-5.69.0-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-12 (8 days)
[06:45:00] <nit-picker> ... (26 total)
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[06:49:32] <buildmaster> !rq buildmaster
[06:49:33] <phrik> buildmaster: <buildmaster> I might be insane, but never confused ... ;-)
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[06:59:43] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in i686/staging:
[06:59:43] <nit-picker> mlt-6.20.0-3.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-07 (14 days)
[06:59:43] <nit-picker> libgit2-1:1.0.0-1.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[06:59:43] <nit-picker> basket-2.49b-3.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[06:59:43] <nit-picker> knotifyconfig-5.69.0-1.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-12 (8 days)
[06:59:44] <nit-picker> krunner-5.69.0-1.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-12 (8 days)
[06:59:44] <nit-picker> ... (15 total)
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[08:04:38] <trotz> 2020/04/21 08:04 OK jeti100 SSH SSH OK - OpenSSH_8.2 (protocol 2.0)
[08:10:38] <trotz> 2020/04/21 08:09 OK jeti100 Master Mirror HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1408 bytes in 0.039 second response time
[08:10:38] <trotz> 2020/04/21 08:09 OK jeti100 Master Mirror Secure HTTP OK: HTTP/1.1 200 OK - 1408 bytes in 0.075 second response time
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[09:53:02] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in pentium4/community-staging:
[09:53:02] <nit-picker> portsmf-234-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-14 (128 days)
[09:53:02] <nit-picker> auto-multiple-choice-1.4.0-7.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-07 (14 days)
[09:53:02] <nit-picker> kup-0.7.3-5.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[09:53:02] <nit-picker> sink-0.8.0-3.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[09:53:02] <nit-picker> haskell-distributive-0.6.2-1.0-pentium4.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-18 (3 days)
[09:53:02] <nit-picker> ... (50 total)
[10:29:13] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in i486/staging:
[10:29:13] <nit-picker> libgit2-1:1.0.0-1.0-i486.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[10:29:13] <nit-picker> libreoffice-fresh-af-6.4.3-1.0-any.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-16 (4 days)
[10:29:13] <nit-picker> libreoffice-fresh-am-6.4.3-1.0-any.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-16 (4 days)
[10:29:13] <nit-picker> libreoffice-fresh-ar-6.4.3-1.0-any.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-16 (4 days)
[10:29:14] <nit-picker> libreoffice-fresh-as-6.4.3-1.0-any.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-16 (4 days)
[10:29:14] <nit-picker> ... (111 total)
[10:33:19] <nit-picker> The following packages are longer than 3 days in i686/community-staging:
[10:33:20] <nit-picker> portsmf-234-1.0-i686.pkg.tar.xz: since 2019-12-14 (128 days)
[10:33:20] <nit-picker> auto-multiple-choice-1.4.0-7.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-07 (14 days)
[10:33:20] <nit-picker> kup-0.7.3-5.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[10:33:20] <nit-picker> sink-0.8.0-3.0-i686.pkg.tar.zst: since 2020-04-11 (9 days)
[10:47:23] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-yesod-static is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[10:51:36] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-yesod-static is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[14:10:55] <buildmaster> i686/prometheus are broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[14:18:00] <buildmaster> pentium4/prometheus are broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
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[15:31:52] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[15:31:52] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[15:31:52] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[17:47:43] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[17:47:43] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[17:47:43] <phrik> buildmaster: * abaumann wonders if "pretty vanilla" qualifies as colour
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[17:53:11] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[17:53:11] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[17:53:12] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> maybe, they auto-create those nice penguins during boot with imagemagick?
[17:53:17] <deep42thought> Hi abaumann!
[17:53:23] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[17:53:32] <deep42thought> Is everything orthogonal?
[17:53:48] <abaumann> last time I checked my cupboard, yes, very much so. ;-)
[17:54:08] <deep42thought> :-D
[17:54:22] <abaumann> I need some more thinking around the i686 mmx and firefox question
[17:54:42] <abaumann> obviously just patching the funny library is not enough, code breaks everywhere. :-)
[17:54:45] <deep42thought> I think, I didn't quite undestand the issue
[17:54:59] <abaumann> well. that they do or what we do?
[17:55:10] <deep42thought> what the current problem is :-)
[17:55:21] <abaumann> the code changed from 74 yo 75
[17:55:36] <abaumann> it uses a compiler intrinsic to erase the MMX context (EMMS)
[17:55:42] <abaumann> before this was done in assembly.
[17:55:47] <abaumann> not it uses _mm_empty
[17:55:50] <abaumann> on IA32
[17:56:09] <abaumann> now, this is ok, if you actually compile with MMX (something -march=i686 is _not_ doing)
[17:56:14] <abaumann> that's how I noticed.
[17:56:24] <deep42thought> ah, ok
[17:56:34] <abaumann> we could add -mmmx to firefox CFLAGS only
[17:57:05] <abaumann> or we could acknowledge that architecture.php is wrong and that we actually build a pentium pro version of Archlinux32 by setting -march-i686
[17:57:20] <abaumann> or we can patch firefox to use the assembly code of before
[17:57:25] <deep42thought> nah
[17:57:54] <abaumann> it also means that the current i686 packages should almost work on non-SSE, non-MMX systems
[17:58:09] <abaumann> what almost the i486 are actually trying to do :-)
[17:58:15] <deep42thought> almost = except crappy autodetect?
[17:58:31] <abaumann> exaxtly
[17:58:37] <abaumann> and hard coded flags
[17:58:56] <deep42thought> I would say: we correct architectures.php
[17:59:05] <abaumann> :-)
[17:59:18] <abaumann> because it's just an update in the mysql database or a line of php code?
[17:59:22] <deep42thought> and if someone complains, we consider introducing a i786 or pentiumpro or whatever which requires mmx, but no sse
[17:59:47] <abaumann> yep.
[17:59:48] <deep42thought> yes, because it does not require us to rebuild all packages and also means, we do not break anybodies setup this way
[17:59:55] <abaumann> true
[18:00:32] <deep42thought> so: i686 does not require mmx - does it require sse?
[18:00:40] <abaumann> no.
[18:00:44] <abaumann> mmx is older than sse
[18:01:25] <abaumann> but, I either have really old 486 machines (where I cannot run Archlinux32 yet) or new machines having a Pentium II or newer (which always have SSE and MMX)
[18:01:36] <abaumann> my only "hope" is the AMD K-5
[18:01:45] <deep42thought> and the alix
[18:01:50] <abaumann> there I could try the i686 branch instead of the i486
[18:01:52] <abaumann> nah.
[18:01:57] <abaumann> not, because of CMOV
[18:01:58] <deep42thought> needs cmov
[18:02:00] <deep42thought> exactly
[18:02:01] <abaumann> yep
[18:03:56] <deep42thought> correct this way? https://archlinux32.org
[18:03:57] <phrik> Title: Arch Linux 32 - Architecture Overview (at archlinux32.org)
[18:04:09] <abaumann> yep.
[18:04:23] <abaumann> at least, that's what we hope the packages are providing.
[18:04:36] <abaumann> the actualy status of some packages might be different (still containing MMX, SSE code)
[18:04:36] <deep42thought> :-)
[18:04:45] <deep42thought> which is then a bug
[18:04:54] <deep42thought> opcode sniffer :-D
[18:04:54] <abaumann> an important thing is here also: fpmath
[18:05:06] <abaumann> is fpmatch using FPU or SSE
[18:05:15] <abaumann> and i686 is _not_ using the SSE version
[18:05:38] <abaumann> *sigh* opcode sniffer, yeah. my scripts are still there (and not working) :-(
[18:06:33] <deep42thought> dinner :-)
[18:07:00] <abaumann> enjoy :-)
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[18:24:14] <buildmaster> any/mkinitcpio-systemd-tool is broken (says nlopc46): https://archlinux32.org
[19:02:15] <deep42thought> done
[19:09:41] <deep42thought> maybe we should write an announcement about the architecture stuff and open a poll, whether something between i686 and pentium4 would be desired
[19:15:58] <abaumann> a poll. resulting in 1 person for one architecure and 2 persons for another? ;-)
[19:16:07] <abaumann> I don't think, there are so many users anymore.
[19:16:16] <abaumann> most should be on pentium4 by now..
[19:17:01] <abaumann> and I just added an -mmmx flag for i686 on pentium :-)
[19:17:06] <abaumann> for firefox
[19:17:39] <deep42thought> so architectures.php is wrong (again)?
[19:17:58] <abaumann> no. but for firefox :-)
[19:18:03] <abaumann> I'm still testing..
[19:18:07] <deep42thought> so it's wrong
[19:18:14] <deep42thought> just remove firefox from i686
[19:18:24] <abaumann> so far half of some webasm stuff starts to break if you fiddle with config.h flags
[19:18:55] <abaumann> ah, but I _do_ have a machine running firefox without SSE2 now. :-)
[19:19:19] <deep42thought> so we *have* a user for pentiumpro
[19:19:27] * abaumann blushes ;-)
[19:20:05] <deep42thought> we have pretty much one user for i486 only, too
[19:20:19] <abaumann> well, also my Alix still runs..
[19:20:23] <abaumann> :-)
[19:20:26] <deep42thought> ok, 2
[19:20:39] * deep42thought checks his calculator: yeah, 2>1
[19:20:56] <abaumann> 1+0=2 for big enough values of 0
[19:21:05] <deep42thought> modulus 1
[19:25:50] <T`aZ> fwiw, if i would still use a machine < pentium4
[19:26:17] <deep42thought> T`aZ: and you'd like firefox to work?
[19:26:24] <T`aZ> i would simply use the i686 version, and recompile the 5-10 packages that i'm using for my use case only
[19:26:47] <T`aZ> i mean, for performance reasons
[19:27:03] <T`aZ> well, yes
[19:27:14] <T`aZ> i would definitely not recompile that
[19:27:18] <deep42thought> :-D
[19:27:55] <T`aZ> i tried 10 years agon on an actual pentium4, afer +12 hours of compile, the linking failed
[19:28:08] <T`aZ> not a pleasant experience
[19:28:09] <abaumann> lol :-)
[19:29:14] * abaumann is on mirror hunting
[19:29:20] <abaumann> http://www.firefighter.ru
[19:29:22] <abaumann> interesting
[19:29:23] <phrik> Title: Index of /archlinux32/ (at www.firefighter.ru)
[19:29:33] <deep42thought> O.o
[19:29:45] <abaumann> looks like Yandex
[19:29:48] <T`aZ> on the other hand, if upstream are not supporting the architecture anymore, it's game over
[19:29:49] <deep42thought> I had a script to scrape through the rsync logs of the master mirror, once
[19:30:06] <deep42thought> let me have a look for it ...
[19:30:11] <abaumann> actually, I'm searching for unknown new ones..
[19:30:15] <deep42thought> yes
[19:30:17] <abaumann> ..yeah
[19:30:20] <deep42thought> this script, does, too
[19:30:28] <abaumann> I agree, the rsync log could be helpful here. :-)
[19:30:41] <abaumann> I relying on "Dr. Google" :-)
[19:32:28] <abaumann> http://be200.ru
[19:32:30] <phrik> Title: Index of /archlinux32/ (at be200.ru)
[19:32:42] <abaumann> an expired https certificate though..
[19:32:51] <deep42thought> we have lots of those :-D
[19:33:00] <abaumann> yandex again.
[19:34:23] <deep42thought> this is the russian version of google?
[19:34:29] <abaumann> yep
[20:39:31] <buildmaster> i486/yubikey-touch-detector is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
[20:52:28] <buildmaster> pentium4/yubikey-touch-detector is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[20:56:34] <buildmaster> i686/yubikey-touch-detector is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[21:00:42] <buildmaster> i686/xf86-video-openchrome is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[21:00:52] <buildmaster> pentium4/xf86-video-openchrome is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
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[22:47:35] <buildmaster> i686/openssl is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
[22:49:13] <buildmaster> pentium4/openssl is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
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[23:40:35] <GNUtoo> hi,
[23:42:14] <GNUtoo> There is a new OpenSSL bug of HIGH severity and "OpenSSL version 1.1.1d, 1.1.1e, and 1.1.1f are affected by this issue" https://www.openssl.org