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[01:07:28] <buildmaster> i686/haskell-http-conduit is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[01:08:58] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-http-conduit is broken (says eurobuild6-4): https://archlinux32.org
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[02:26:42] <buildmaster> pentium4/krita is broken (says eurobuild6-4): https://archlinux32.org
[02:27:08] <buildmaster> i686/krita is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[02:54:01] <buildmaster> pentium4/agda is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[03:27:43] <buildmaster> i486/monero is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
[03:49:58] <buildmaster> i486/malcontent is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[03:53:15] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[03:53:15] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[03:53:16] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[03:54:34] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[03:54:34] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[03:54:35] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[03:56:14] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[03:56:14] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[03:56:16] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[03:57:38] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[03:57:38] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[03:57:39] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[03:59:03] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[03:59:03] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[03:59:04] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:00:46] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:00:46] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:00:47] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:02:13] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:02:13] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:02:14] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:03:43] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:03:43] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:03:44] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:05:13] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:05:13] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:05:14] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:06:43] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:06:43] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:06:44] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:08:15] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:08:15] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:08:16] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:09:45] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:09:45] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:09:46] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:11:08] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:11:08] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:11:09] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:12:37] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:12:38] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:12:39] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:14:03] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:14:03] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:14:04] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:15:34] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:15:35] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:15:36] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:16:59] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:16:59] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:17:00] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:18:38] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:18:38] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:18:39] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[04:19:58] <sunshavi> guys. chromium 74 could be updated?
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[04:20:07] <buildmaster> Hi nit-picker!
[04:20:07] <buildmaster> !rq nit-picker
[04:20:08] <phrik> buildmaster: <nit-picker> abaumann: but there are only 18 "intermediate" versions
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[06:29:11] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[06:29:11] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[06:29:13] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> The future looks bright, no window managers working, Xorg not working, sound and video stuff "optimized", so not working. Gives us a nice text-only distribution. :-)
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[06:41:40] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[06:41:40] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[06:41:42] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> one day, some genius will prove, that all programming languages are isomorphic and there is actually only _one_ compiler
[06:41:52] <deep42thought> morning, abaumann and everyone else :-)
[06:42:51] <abaumann> hi deep42thought
[06:43:10] <abaumann> finally, my backup array and scratch space on eurobuild6 is set up properly
[06:43:14] <abaumann> back at full power
[06:43:19] <deep42thought> \o/
[06:43:37] <abaumann> we'll need it to build all those breaking webbrowsers.. :->
[06:43:55] <deep42thought> what do you need backup for, then?
[06:44:06] <deep42thought> or is the backup space a requirement to run eurobuild6?
[06:44:12] <abaumann> rsnapshorts from the buildmaster
[06:44:18] <abaumann> and scratch for build slaves
[06:44:22] <deep42thought> ah, ok
[06:44:23] <deep42thought> I see
[06:44:24] <abaumann> *snapshots
[06:45:02] <abaumann> the old machine for backups (eurobuild3) comes of age, power-supply died, motherboard gets wonky, disks start groaning..
[06:45:25] <abaumann> used 5 years in the office, now almost 10 years at home, almost 24x7
[06:45:30] <abaumann> so, I can not complain.
[06:45:59] <deep42thought> sounds like it is elected for regular retirement, then ;-)
[06:46:09] <abaumann> as all my machines ;-)
[06:47:21] <deep42thought> you are allowed to work after starting to receive your pension, so I guess, what you do is totally legal :-)
[06:48:02] <abaumann> :-)
[07:07:09] <deep42thought> cu later, breakfast
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[07:09:52] <abaumann> cu
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[08:15:13] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[08:15:13] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[08:15:14] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> otoh I have the feeling, archlinux32 dies anyway if I get overrun by a bus
[08:15:16] <deep42thought> re
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[08:55:13] <buildmaster> i686/chromium is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
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[10:23:17] <buildmaster> i486/waylandpp is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[10:27:52] <buildmaster> i486/qcad is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
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[11:12:07] <buildmaster> Hi abaumann!
[11:12:07] <buildmaster> !rq abaumann
[11:12:07] <phrik> buildmaster: <abaumann> canary no. 2 is back on testing. :-)
[11:21:10] <buildmaster> i686/vtk is broken (says rechenknecht) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2020-05-03: https://archlinux32.org
[11:21:18] <deep42thought> hrrm
[11:30:01] <abaumann> mmh?
[11:33:05] * abaumann is afk dealing with a "barba di frate"
[11:37:04] <T`aZ> i see i'm not the only one using machines until they completely die :p
[11:55:51] <buildmaster> pentium4/haskell-sbv is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[12:02:52] <buildmaster> pentium4/deepin-reader is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[12:15:05] <buildmaster> pentium4/k9s are broken (says eurobuild3) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2020-06-05: https://archlinux32.org
[12:19:33] <buildmaster> pentium4/vtk is broken (says eurobuild6-5) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2020-05-03: https://archlinux32.org
[12:50:36] <buildmaster> pentium4/pandoc is broken (says eurobuild6-3): https://archlinux32.org
[12:53:26] <buildmaster> i486/libretro-beetle-psx is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs1): https://archlinux32.org
[12:58:18] <buildmaster> pentium4/rust is broken (says eurobuild3): https://archlinux32.org
[13:01:40] <abaumann> eurobuild3 isn't dead yet.. :-)
[13:03:23] <deep42thought> ... not /completely/ dead ;-)
[13:25:15] <buildmaster> pentium4/dhall-json is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[13:26:38] <buildmaster> pentium4/shellcheck is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[13:49:15] <deep42thought> I tried to reschedule vtk, because I believe its linking is broken ("/usr/bin/ld: warning: libGLEW.so.2.1, needed by /usr/lib/libvtkRenderingOpenGL2.so.1, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)"), but it fails to build
[13:49:21] <deep42thought> thus my "hrrm"
[14:14:50] <buildmaster> pentium4/hedgewars are broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[14:39:59] <buildmaster> i486/libretro-flycast is broken (says nlopc46-i486bs0): https://archlinux32.org
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[15:52:09] <buildmaster> i686/hedgewars are broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[16:14:37] <buildmaster> pentium4/qcad is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
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[17:05:45] <buildmaster> i686/k9s are broken (says eurobuild6-6) - already flagged out-of-date upstream on 2020-06-05: https://archlinux32.org
[17:20:07] <buildmaster> i686/deepin-reader is broken (says eurobuild6-5): https://archlinux32.org
[17:29:39] <buildmaster> i686/pandoc is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
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[17:56:11] <buildmaster> i686/shellcheck is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[18:29:30] <buildmaster> i686/qscintilla is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
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[18:56:29] <buildmaster> i486/libvirt is broken (says eurobuild6-7-i486): https://archlinux32.org
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[19:52:20] <GNUtoo> hi,
[19:52:49] <GNUtoo> I was told there was a discussion about ICU here
[19:53:03] <GNUtoo> The missmatch between x86_64 and i686 is very simple:
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[19:53:08] <buildmaster> Hi deep42thought!
[19:53:08] <buildmaster> !rq deep42thought
[19:53:09] <phrik> buildmaster: <deep42thought> my cluster of 1k 4/86's will be happy to iterate Maxwell-Vlasov-equations :-D
[19:53:16] * deep42thought listens
[19:53:25] <GNUtoo> on i686: pacman -Q -i poppler => Provides : None
[19:53:54] <GNUtoo> on x86_64: Provides : libicudata.so=67-64 libicui18n.so=67-64 libicuio.so=67-64 libicutest.so=67-64 libicutu.so=67-64 libicuuc.so=67-64
[19:54:08] <GNUtoo> So the issue is then packages that depends on icu libraries directly
[19:54:10] <eschwartz> (not poppler, icu)
[19:54:34] <eschwartz> one solution would be for archlinux32 to stabilize icu
[19:54:43] <GNUtoo> sorry, yes ICU
[19:55:11] <GNUtoo> We have an example package that does that in Parbaola:
[19:55:14] <eschwartz> another solution would be to rebuild the stable package with added provides=(), move directly to stable just to add Provides:, and then continue waiting on the actual version upgrade
[19:55:16] <GNUtoo> There are no icu in depends
[19:55:19] <GNUtoo> but there is that: depends+=('libicui18n.so' 'libicuuc.so')
[19:55:43] <GNUtoo> That can only work if the icu package Provides some libs like libicuuc.so=67-64
[19:56:13] <GNUtoo> Then the idea is that with the provides, one can have compatibilty libs, like icu-67 when icu-68 is out
[19:56:25] <GNUtoo> This enables smoother transitions
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[19:57:02] <GNUtoo> Just adding Provides would be good enough for us
[19:57:45] <GNUtoo> This way if you don't want to break anything, and keep the current lib version, it'd keep working and it will have the Provides
[19:58:00] * deep42thought ponders this
[19:58:05] <GNUtoo> Then you could also look into providing compatibility libs if you want to smooth the next upgrades
[19:58:15] <GNUtoo> or not, depending on what you want to do
[19:59:25] <GNUtoo> And without the Provides, you'll start having issues at some point, as you'll encounter PKGBUILS that don't depend anymore on ICU but the libs it provides
[19:59:56] <GNUtoo> So I don't know exactly how you build Arch Linux 32, but for Parabola we have scripts that creates a chroot and build stuff inside, so it handles automatically the dependencies
[20:00:31] <deep42thought> we use slightly-modified devtools from archlinux
[20:00:52] <deep42thought> I'm more thinking about how to sneak these provides=(*.so) into our build system
[20:01:08] <eschwartz> just move icu to stable :D
[20:01:40] <GNUtoo> So if icu is pulled by other dependencies, the compilation might still work, but there might be cases where you could be stuck
[20:02:18] <GNUtoo> The new Arch package has Provides for icu
[20:02:31] <deep42thought> yeah, I will move everything from testing to stable
[20:02:34] <deep42thought> this should solve it
[20:02:39] <deep42thought> and should not break too much
[20:02:41] <deep42thought> (hopefully)
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[20:03:03] <GNUtoo> At the end of the day, it has a mechanism that can be used to prevent future breakages
[20:03:26] <GNUtoo> So even if it breaks, there are ways to reduce future breakages a lot
[20:03:51] <eschwartz> "manpower stuff"
[20:03:59] <GNUtoo> And in Arch (x86_64) poppler also has Provides : libpoppler.so=99-64 libpoppler-cpp.so=0-64
[20:04:06] <eschwartz> but hopefully this should be simple enough
[20:04:42] <GNUtoo> So since these two break often, in Parabola we decided to have compatibility libs to easier the transition, and reduce the breakages that is due to us not recompiling packages in time
[20:05:07] <GNUtoo> Though there are other ways as well to deal with that (like making sure that everything is compiled in time and syncing)
[20:05:52] <GNUtoo> But they require everything to be ready on time, and we never managed to do that (stuff that don't compile, etc)
[20:06:00] <deep42thought> when every library-providing package advertises all the libraries with provides=(), one can simply put the package archive into pacman.conf ;-)
[20:07:15] <GNUtoo> I don't understand exactly what it means, maybe you mean that it'll populate a lot the package database
[20:07:48] <deep42thought> no, I mean, that one can let pacman pick the (probably very old) library, which is required by some package, from the archive
[20:08:00] <GNUtoo> But in any case the idea on our side was to do that for the libraries that change the most, just to save developers sanity when dealing with breakages
[20:08:20] <GNUtoo> oh ok
[20:08:25] <eschwartz> deep42thought: you really cannot -- the other package needs to be named with a pkgname that is nonconflicting
[20:08:48] <deep42thought> eschwartz: only if you want to put them into *one* repository
[20:08:55] <deep42thought> ah
[20:09:02] <eschwartz> debian intentionally supports this by splitting libraries into packages like "libfoo${majorver}"
[20:09:02] <deep42thought> or if you want to install them simultanously
[20:09:03] <deep42thought> right
[20:09:08] <GNUtoo> The idea here is to have multiple versions of ICU, the one from Arch Linux 32, and one for the old software we didn't recompile yet and that we are working to recompile it
[20:09:15] <eschwartz> https://git.parabola.nu
[20:09:16] <phrik> Title: PKGBUILD ÂŤ icu-parabola ÂŤ libre - abslibre.git - Libre Packages Build Scripts for the Parabola GNU/Linux-libre (Arch Build System Libre) (at git.parabola.nu)
[20:09:24] <eschwartz> ^^ this is the thing we worked out for parabola
[20:09:41] <eschwartz> it's essentially "aur/icu65" and coinstalls with the icu package
[20:09:52] <eschwartz> to provide exclusively the compat libs
[20:10:16] <GNUtoo> And when we finish recompiling everything to the new icu lib, we don't need to have 2 icu packages installed anymore and pacman semi-automatically picks one asking the users which one they want
[20:10:44] <GNUtoo> and this would be once we rebuilt it to be at the same version than Arch 32
[20:11:26] <deep42thought> ok, I see
[20:11:46] <GNUtoo> So (0) we build a compat package for the current ICU (1) a new ICU comes (2) we get the new ICU from Arch Linux 32 (3) the old icu compat package is installed automatically without asking the user anything and it continues to work
[20:12:18] <GNUtoo> (4) we rebuild packages against Arch Linux 32 packages (5) we rebuild our compat ICU to be at the same version
[20:12:43] <deep42thought> yes, that is neat
[20:12:45] <GNUtoo> So at (0) and (5) it might ask users to choose an icu lib provider since there is the same version, but that's already the case for many things like font
[20:12:52] <GNUtoo> but beside that it's all automatic
[20:13:21] <GNUtoo> And you don't need to spend your nights fixing stuff in a hurry and have more time to rebuild things
[20:13:58] <GNUtoo> And if a serious security issue comes for one of the packages during an ICU upgrade, then you can focuss only on that package if needed and the upgrade is not frozen in the past because you can't compile that game with the new ICU
[20:15:32] <GNUtoo> So before, if you do not sync because openttd didn't build for instance, and that Firefox had a security issue, it'd be problematic
[20:15:51] <deep42thought> yeah, that's my biggest headache for archlinux32
[20:16:14] <deep42thought> failing builds of unimportant packages can block *everything*
[20:16:18] <GNUtoo> So you could do it at users level by depending on the exact libs without the provides, but it meant that users with openttd would have the upgrade broken until openttd is rebuilt
[20:16:50] <GNUtoo> And if they uninstall openttd the upgrade would proceed, but they woudn't be able to reinstall it after
[20:16:53] <deep42thought> the problem is, that our buildmaster is designed to not break any package on automatical updates
[20:17:17] <deep42thought> so it would never promote icu to stable if openttd in stable would be broken by this
[20:17:47] <buildmaster> i686/man-db is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[20:17:48] <deep42thought> ("never" = "only if openttd was unsuccessfully built for a few days")
[20:23:53] <GNUtoo> ok, I guess that with compatibility libs it could work too, as you could unbreak openttd with some compat libs
[20:24:01] <GNUtoo> or not break in the first place
[20:25:38] <eschwartz> you could indeed fix rebuild issues by saying "doesn't rebuild? Screw this -- Imma upload libfooX to [arch32]" (or [libre] in the case of parabola)
[20:25:45] <deep42thought> yes, if two packages provide a dependency of openttd, the buildmaster should be willing to replace one of them with a newer (breaking) version
[20:25:46] <eschwartz> on a case-by-case basis
[20:26:06] <deep42thought> eschwartz: we do that
[20:26:17] <deep42thought> after (let me check ...)
[20:27:40] <deep42thought> ... hmm, I cannot find it O.o
[20:29:05] <deep42thought> .. ah, here: https://git.archlinux32.org 1 day!
[20:29:07] <phrik> Title: mysql-functions ÂŤ lib - builder - Archlinux32 build system (at git.archlinux32.org)
[20:29:27] <deep42thought> hmm, this is only for the "try to build anyways" part
[20:29:28] <deep42thought> hmm
[20:29:41] * deep42thought adds a todo
[20:31:01] <deep42thought> icu is now in stable
[20:36:33] <buildmaster> i686/pyqtwebengine is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[21:00:16] <buildmaster> any/mediathekview is broken (says eurobuild6-1): https://archlinux32.org
[21:05:33] <buildmaster> any/nextcloud is broken (says rechenknecht): https://archlinux32.org
[21:09:16] <buildmaster> any/roundcubemail is broken (says eurobuild6-6): https://archlinux32.org
[21:17:23] <GNUtoo> Thanks a lot
[21:21:57] <deep42thought> you're welcome
[21:46:49] <buildmaster> i686/qcad is broken (says eurobuild6-2): https://archlinux32.org
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